The JU-288 really is a bizarre plane in War Thunder. It single handedly made mid to high tier props almost uninhabitable.
It going to 7.0 to tango with jets is a… curiosity to say the least.
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Why? FAB5000 @Pe-8 is 4.3, the 12.000 lb bomb @Lancaster is 5.0 or something…so why do you think a 2500kg bomb warrants a BR of 6.3? It makes no sense. Also your speed argument, my Ju-288 rips wings at 640 km/h. Thats rather slow. A 4.7 Do-217 has a dive speed above 700 km/h. Even the 3.0 Ju-88 A-4 is faster in a dive. 288 is not really fast after the artificial wing rip nerf. A diving fighter 5-6 BR might even reach over 800 km/h in a dive… etc.
I guess its just psychological, community never really accepted the Ju-288C. Imagine, back then it was BR 5.3 with its real dive speed around 800 km/h and the bombs had a kill radius of over 40m. The tail gun was precise and it had self sealing tanks, which put out wing tank fires.
From this nothing is left, speed nerfed by almost 200 dive, fires burn it always down, bomb radius reduced, tailgun accuracy nerfed. BR was bumped already to 5.7 and later 6.0. It gets unfavorable matchmaking with just 2 fighters to make sure almost all matches are lost.
And still its not enough^^ As if a 6.0 bomber with just 2x large bombs isn’t pathetic enough. US have single engine strike aircraft with more lethal loadout options for GRB^^
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As I have already explained, the Ju288C is borderline 6.3 already, give it bigger bombs, I could very much see that already being what is needed to push it to 6.3.
Ju-288C is one of the fastest prop bombers in the game. The Lancaster has a top speed of 249kts, the Ju-288C 340kts. That is a massive speed advantage and is faster than every single prop in the british tree at the same BR, and faster than quite a few props.
You are also aware that the Lancaster has basically no turrets, at all. It has 2 MGs, that cover basically nothing, the Ju-288C has almost a perfect 360 degree coverage, with decent guns. I routinely see Ju-288C make it to target, Lancaster almost never make it too any, and if thye did, it was sheer luck
The fact this took that long to fix is insane. The number of times I saw Ju-288C surviving being set on fire 2 or 3 times, was rediculous, when the Lancaster is set on fire, it’s dead, no matter what.
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I don’t think comparing a high-speed day bomber with a slow nightbomber makes any sense.
You are happy about a nerf? I mean the sense of self sealing tanks is to prevent a plane from burning down. Based on your logic they should do the same to A6Ms, if you set one of their lots of small fuel tanks on fire - the fire burns the fuel and extinguish itself when the fuel tanks is empty…
Also the point of defensive armament is useless, you will find various post war studies that the RAF BC lost thousands of night bombers in close range combat - so even if the had 0.50 cals or 20mm - they would have not reduced their losses - 0.303 are quite effective at combat ranges of~ 200 meters. Trust me or google it.
So - using a nightbomber in wt (or irl) in broad daylight is (and was) a recipe for getting killed. If i were a British bomber main i would bombard gaijin with requests for the pure bomber version of the Mosquito (with 4.000lb cookie) - or look for a source that enforces gaijin to implement a bombsight for your Brigand. The game is more or less pure fantasy, so it would be no problem to give the Brigand a purpose as a level bomber…
I agree, but Im not the one who made that comparison to begin with, so I stuck with it.
Yes, they should do that, point is, I have seen a 288 survive being set on fire 3 times. 3. And it still outran me in a fighter and made it back to base, and landed. That is insane. Now that real-shatter has been fixed, I can actually deal hard damage to them, not just set them on fire. So they do actually go down now. But there is fire resistance and there is fire proof.
But in WT, when a P-51 can snipe you at 1km, from a direction your guns cannot even point in, then its totally irrelevant if it one shots a target at 200m. I know from the spitfire what they can do sub 300m, but at 1km, they do nothing.
I already do, but doubt it would ever get added because how the hell do you balance it? No guns, so can’t fight, but also can’t be so low that nothing can catch it. It would just be slaughtered the moment it was spotted.
Taking this back to the thread. and the point I was trying to make, but thodin took out of context. Ju-288C is probably one of the best bomber in WT at the moment, as it was actually designed for the day-light runs that it has to deal with in WT. Something many bombers at and around its BR, simply cannot. Like the Lancaster, Lincoln, etc. These bombers were never meant for this kind of combat.
It is fast, way faster than a lot of things at and around its BR. Not just most other bombers. None of the spitfires except the 6.7s/7s can really keep up with it. It almost always get through to base in ARB. Even if it is then engaged shortly afterwards. not a feat possible in many bombers and a skilled pilot, can easily defeat a fighter attacking it… (Issue is, many I think are bots)
Within GRB and NRB, it stands a better chance than most bombers to reach the battlefield without being intercepted, and then to evade any SPAA. It also is nimble enough to adjust last second to release bombs on a target with accuracy. Something really hard to do with most heavy bombers.
It is, in my opinion, borderline 6.3. In fact I reckon the only reason its not 6.3 already is because its premium/some of the nerfs its had. Now I can see these new bombs, not changing much, but I can also see them resulting in a lot of kills in both GRB and NRB. which could cause it to go up to 6.3 if that was the case. Its difficult to tell. Im not saying it must go up, just that it could. There were a few on this thread saying it needed to go up to 7.0 on with these bombs. I think a “maybe 6.3” is far more moderate
I mean we have with unarmed Arado Ar 234 such a plane - and since when gaijin turned back to performance based BR settings? For me it looks like they simply consider TNT loadout per plane and total TNT dropped. So if the total amount of TNT actually dropped on bases increases the increase the BR - see Ju 88 from 2.3 to 3.0 or B-18B from 3.0 to 4.0 - both within 8-10 months and before: stable BRs for years.
I mean i flew the Ju 288s a lot some years ago - i would not even take one for free if you consider all those open or hidden nerfs happend to this plane whilst increasing the BR.
I mean if you talk about Air RB - why the hell a you chasing a Ju 288??
They cant win the game by base bombing and i bet most of their players are unable to kill 8 moving tanks with 8 SC 250 drops - either due to lack of training or 2-4 US fighters at their six spraying like hell.
So either you position yourself properly for their second run to attack them from 12 o,clock high (no defense) or on co-alt or lower to force a headon or you wait for their return. There is zero point in chasing a fast bomber without enough access speed to allow a very fast approach.
You know all parameters like their airfields and their potential bases - so where is the problem to prepare a professional attack? I mean you won’t tailchase a Be-6 - so why chasing a Ju 288??
Seeing some Ju 288 players with strange flight patterns and fully relying on ai gunners - a lot of them have kills, meaning that their attackers were in ai gunner range and got killed - skill issue from my pov.
Let the JU288 die in peace already. It is lying on the floor and drawing it’s last breaths, no need to keep kicking it with you boots.
The plane used to be a good SL grinder that could help winning matches because it was actually possible to hit something with the guns. The plane was rased in BR as a result (which is fine) AND nerfed. Whether you hit something with your guns or not is basically RNG at the moment. Sometimes a plane flies straight behind you, you aim directly at it and it dies after a quick burst. More often however, you don’t hit it at all because the bullet spread was drastically nerfed/increased.
It’s can still bomb bases of course if you avoid diving straight towards the base and climb to the side instead. However, after that you should probably J out because it is unlikely that you will manage to land, because by that time your team will be dead and everyone will be chasing you
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i think it is still a very capable aircraft even with these nerfs, though, most of the time they are being piloted by idiots.
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But something like a Be-6 I can position myself anyway I want, because Im faster. In my usual Spitfire, im actually slightly slower than a 288. If I miss on my initial pass, then I either chase and try and set up a second shot, or turn away and go for something else. with the entire enemy team being Ju-288C though… not necessarily much else to chase
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Many ask for increase the br on ju288, I think you are a little right and the plane could play at 6.3 or 6.7 withour a problem. But this plane is breaking the game because it is increadibly to farm SL and RP.
The plane could still bomb 1 or 2 bases in a 7.7/8.0 match, so increasing the BR won’t fix anything, it would only move them higher, breaking the mm a little later in the game.
I can only think in 2 solutions
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Make the game start when you have 10 or 12 players in each team… but I don’t think Gaijin will adopt this fix because it will make premium bombers increase their queue time considerably
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Go full random teams, just like arcade… not only you will fix the 288 problem but it will help against others semi op premiums like xp50 and reduce even further the queue time. You can left semi historical teams for EC or historical events from time to time
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Well, I would be pretty happy with Ju-288C nerfed to the ground, any way possible.
I’ve seen lvl 100 guy with thousands of Air RB battles, but in the last month (around 200 battles) he had… 34% WR.
One guy in his glorious SL printer basically brought enemy team’s chances to win up to 66%.
That’s simply insane. When playing solo, it’s hard to get to 66% WR (I mean, it’s absolutely doable), yet he did bring enemy’s team to win just as high without breaking a sweat.
How do you call a player who works for enemy team?
And most Ju-288 play like that, only SLIGHTLY better.
They are fully aware they are NOT helping the team, even though they have chance because their plane is v. fast, very maaneuvrable and turrets are super deadly.
But I’ve been asking Ju-288 to help me in many cases,. they didn’t even bother to look in my direction and fire their guns at the enemy.
I’ve seen 2 Ju-288 vs 1 crit enemy plane trying to glide back to base.
You know what they did?
Flew into AF AAA to drop bombs and both died.
We were leading by 1800 tickets and that enemy plane was an easy kill (and most likely would crash before getting to AF anyway).
Yet Ju-288 aces just casually suicided.
These were PLAYERS.
I know there are also thousands of Ju-288 bots.
It simply has to stop.
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Bombers are useless… but what you gonna do? it has always been the way in RB…
I didn’t play the game since 2017 or 2018, but decided to give it another run. I mostly played german and british planes.
The Ju288 made me go from “I want to have fun with my doras, hey, I may even buy the d13 pack” to uninstall the game in less than 72hrs… I do not support that plane at all.
All I’m saying is that a higher BR to the Ju288 won’t fix it, it will brake the mm somewhere else
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Please, make a video with Ju288 using its deadly turrets. The turrets were nerfed into uselessness long time ago. Don’t be silly, learn to play and stop blaming others for you losing matches
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The only thing “useless” is avg Ju-288 user who doesn’t even try to use his plane’s insane maneuvrability and firepower.
I can kinda bet I kill 2 times as many players per match in a fighter/strike aircraft as you do and win more often too, because most “get gud” comments come from people who are painfully average.
EDIT: Normal post, flagged out of spite. EDIT2: not off topic
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This can very much be true that you are a better pilot than me, I don’t care to be honest. And yet you blame your misfortunes on others and attack everyone who does not share your opinion personally. Take a break from the game, you seem just salty. This happens. It’s not JU288 fault that you feel unhappy or angry.
And you have obviously never played ju288 post nerf. Before the nerf people were hunting fighters with it quite effectively and guess what? People were calling for a nerf! Now people just use it for bombing, since you can’t hit anything with its turrets post nerf, and guess what? People are still unhappy and call for another nerf.
Well maybe, just maybe, the real problem is the role of Bombers in the game in general? They used to be able to win matches, this was changed after a shit-storm from “elite” Fighter pilots who could not stand that it’s the dumb bomber pilots who could win matches without much skill in dog fighting and the fighters became just a side show. As a result of a series of nerfs now some premium bombers can only be used for SL grinding. And here you are again, bombers are spoiling your game.
Schrödingers Bomber.
Either it spoils your Matches because it is good and can shoot you down with ease if approached carelessly. Or it is useless because it just bombs bases and avoids enemy planes because it is defenseless against fighters.
Then just remove the bombers all together from the game and refund the people who paid for them.
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I’m playing AM-1 recently.
Do you really think I am “salty”?
I just tell you how it is and how I see it.
A bunch of players in Ju-288C ignore their team, don’t even TRY to help or win, they are just “making SL”, while the rest are working hard, often to no avail.
Look at my Ta-152H WR. As you can see, I win quite damn lot and that’s playing almost exclusively solo. I won’t write good things about guys who try to make me lose. Why would I?
I know what Ju-288 is capable off, because I’ve been attacked by some random fighter + Ju-288C combo while flying Yak-3U.
I would have eaten that fighter for breakfast.
But Ju-288 kept following me, spraying me down, dodging at high speed so I was basically forced to dump all my ammo into him from 550m away, he died, I died.
He helped his team and they won.
Did he do “a lot”? Not really, it wasn’t even skillfull, it can be practiced in a few hours. But he did manage to drop his bombs, score an airkill, and be a royal pain in the …
But this requires actually caring about your teammates and your team winning.
Ju-288C players don’t give a flying pidgeon about it.
BTW bomber being able to “hunt fighters” is a gigantic game design mess up. B18B which basically can outclimb and outrun everything till the timer runs out if he just chooses to is a good example.
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I mean it is well known that Tu-2s scored A2A kills in WW2, Ju 88s were used as “heavy” day fighters and a fellow player described the post-war B-18B as “Sweden’s secret plan for world domination” - at least in wt…
I agree that a level 75 and aced crew in a Ju 288 was a pain to fight - before the ai gunner nerf some years ago all you had to do was just to stay at his six - sooner or later the chin turret sprayed him down, and the Ju 288 was very agile.
Lets forget the Salty and Skill part
You do realise that the main job of a bomber is to bomb bases and to bleed enemy’s ticket count? This is what it can do best. When it starts hunting after fighters it dies quickly. You also realize that at least in real life, the job of the fighters was to protect allied bombers (and hunt the enemy bombers, while enemy bombers were always the main target, not the enemy fighters). And yet here you are demanding that bomber pilots shall protect/support you in REALISTIC battles and not vice versa.
Its the same emotional and harmfull discussion again. “The lazy bombers spoil the game of hard working fighters”.
And no, you dont know what JU288 is capable of. Its turrets cannot hit anything reliably beyond 400m. The weapon/MG spread was nerfed into oblivion. Its basically RNG beyond 400m.
Look I dont know how better to explaion that, just read your own post.
You are asking for more support from bombers in killing other planes while at the same time saying that bombers being able to do that effectively would be a “gigantic game design mess up”.
So what do you want? Suicidal Ju288 pilots who sacrifice themselves in order to make you happy? This is not going to happen. Bomber’s role is to bomb bases, maybe you should help them doing so instead of expecting them to support you.
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Well, yeah, it’s definitely possible, except this game is nothing like RL, and with bombers comong in fast using their airspawn, the gameplay may get pretty damn ruined without much effort if they sre not kept in check.
And fighting a plane which can just escape at will and spray you with gunners during 8G maneuvers - it’s beyond frustrating.
I have died so many times people spraying gunners, because unlike fighters, you can’t just “stay out of their guns”. And add the fact that bombers in WT carry infinite amount of ammo.
B-18B and Tu-2 are super fun to face - can slam you in a head-on, are pretty fast, forcing tailchase at will and if you decide to setup for high speed pass - it’ll take you half the match and when you get in position, they’ll just high speed dive into AF AAA. Insanely rewarding :p
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So would you rather see that bombing bases does have a (more) significant impact on bleeding enemies ticket count?