So why not just explain how the Ostwind and BTR are not OP instead?
Also, is playing a vehicle the only way to know whether its OP? Surely fighting against it is also a valid measure.
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Because when someone tried it didn’t work and it doesn’t work with some people? Especially when someone is saying “skill issue”.
It is
If an explanation “doesnt work” why do you think stat shaming will?
I disagree, I can recall several vehicles where I fought it, thought it was OP, then later got to play it and confirmed it was OP, proving that my deduction from fighting it was correct.
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It is not about to change this person opinion but to show that it has no bases.
Are we really going with that kind of logic?
How many times have You seen on forum claims about vehicles being “OP” from players that haven’t played it? Because I have seen much more opinions like that than people who haven’t played a vehicle and were right about it being OP.
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You can show that more effectively by providing a logical counter argument. What happens when someone with good stats makes the same bad claim?
People are often too quick to call a vehicle OP, many do so just from the stat cards, but that doesnt mean someone who understands the game cannot accurately deduce that a vehicle is OP just from fighting against it.
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It only works when talking to someone who:
With people with bad stats going around forum saying claims that are bad and saying “skill issue” the best is to show the “root”.
That is why it is better to first test the vehicle before talking about it.
Of course, but it is more likely that without playing it someone won’t undertand the vehicle.
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That doesn’t answer my question. Pangolin says those two SPAAs are OP, you claim his stats don’t give him the authority to make that claim, fine.
What do you say if someone with undeniably good stats also says those SPAAs are OP?
I would say to fully understand a vehicle you have to both play it and fight against it tbh.
Then we can have a proper discussion as person making such claims have base for it.
That is also true
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If you have a base for the counter claim you should be able to articulate it regardless of whether the claim itself has a base.
Of course, but showing the absurdity of the claim first will save You a lot of time, especially when person You are talking to is just trolling and admitted that.
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Thats what I mean when I say Stat Shaming is lazy.
But it is effective.
If something works and saves me a lot of time wasted on troll, then I’m going to use it.
Not responding to a troll also works and saves even more time.
Stat shaming is some weird half measure between not responding and countering the argument, and it makes you look bad for doing it in the process.
The issue is you’re expecting him to make logical arguments. Every argument I’ve ever seen him make is My stats are better so you’re wrong.
I just wish CAS were confined to cockpit only view. The God-like view they get of the map (especially big open maps) is too good. I wasted 4 tanks yesterday in my light bomber, it just felt like a cheap kill carpet bombing them at the central cap
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Nah because that is how exho chambers are made.
Someone makes a bad argument due to inexperience/not understanding the game and doesn’t change their mind even though you presented logic. So now that person can keep spreading that wrong arguments since you just “have to ignore them”.
This is exactly how the T-90M has become so over rated.
I can see it both ways, you refuse to listen to input that you disagree with from anyone who doesnt meet an arbitrary standard of stats, an echo chamber is also formed.
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The point is that there is no input if the opening statement is “X vehicle is OP” without presenting any arguments to that claim. So there is no input for discussion. If there is no input, people start searching what is available, and that’s vehicle stats in general and players’ stats for “X” vehicle.
If the opening statement is “I believe X vehicle is OP because …” and presents some arguments, then there is input for discussion.
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Planes having third person is healthy for CAS balance. Imo, Gajin should just make planes unable to see or create scout markers
Why not just demand more input or don’t engage?
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