It’s almost like we’re talking about that VERY SUBJECT.
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Calling it “talking” is being generous. What you’re doing is endlessly complaining in the vain hope that the squeaky wheel might finally get the grease it doesn’t deserve.
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If one gets killed by an enemy aircraft in a 1 vs 1 one duel, then one can go:
“That was a lot of fun and I need a few moments to calm down before respawning as that was exhilirating!”
or one can go
“… How did I lose that? Into the Replays I go, record the battle from my and my opponent’s perspective and ask for advice in LFG discord I’m gonna.”
Worst case one can go
"Please for the love of all that is holy move the Spitfire Lf Mk IX to 5.7 from 5.0 because it dominates whatever lobby it’s put into and it’s not fun to fight (or equivalent “Please move Ki-84 from 5.0 to 5.3 or 5.7)”.
But in all three cases we have:
- I can keep using the same vehicle
- The reason I died is skill issue. Even against the LF Mk IX/Ki-84, you can theoretically beat them with 3.0 BR aircraft if skill difference is that great. No amount of skill difference in the Nashorn enables you to shoot down yak-9k or f4u-4bs.
For example 2 - I’ve recently did a bf109G14 vs Spit Lf IX duel. Reason I lost? I missed my first shot despite having advantage and stayed chasing rather than disengaging. Even if I complain about that plane being too strong for 5.0, it’s pure skill issue that I lost as I had the ball.
You can have analogous equivalents for tank on tank combat.
“Damnit, I shouldn’t have taken this lane but instead gone this route. Or I should have listened better. Or I should have stayed still and waited for enemy to expose themselves rather than rushing mindlessly into their gun. Or I should have communicated with my team to see if anyone else got a better angle if I’m locked down.”
All of that is a lot more dialoguing than “oh well nothing I could have done” and moving on.
And more interesting.
You can improve in my scenario and that’s much more fun and interesting because you will eventually get a re-match where you eke out a victory that was once thought impossible. Case in point, I was so proud of beating a spitfire in a dogfight with 109F4 using reckless & insane maneuvers I went and recorded our fight from multiple angles! I couldn’t have had that moment of sheer satisfaction if I just said “Nothing I could have done” rather than push myself to improve.
“Nothing I could have done” is a dead end observation.
Not everything has to be part of some grandiose process. Sometimes a dead end observation is all you need before you move on to the next encounter.
Fortunately GRB offers both as is.
Do you not see the issue of a PvP game having a “nothing I could have done” situation?
Even in the most helpless stomp of Dota 2, you can analyze where you went wrong and correct your strategy in the re-match even if using the exact same lineups. Sure, it may have happened 30 minutes ago when you failed to grasp the momentum and end the game before that spectre or medusa came online (and instead for whatever absurd reason decided to go farm neutral creeps rather than push high ground) but the point still stands (do spectre and medusa still autowin games if the match goes super late? I last played before they added talents.)
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Not when that PvP is aiming to emulate real combat. Plenty of soldiers died in situations where there was nothing they could have done. That’s just how it is sometimes.
Even in semi-hardcore sims, there’s a significant amount of rules and balancing to ensure there’s a fair fight.
For instance, Combat Box (project apollo at least) for Il2:Great Battles restricts what airfields can be used to balance teams. It restricts what vehicles the axis may use and how often to offset the impact of a Me262.
That argument does not make sense especially given previous denial of introducing SB-lite mechanics to GRB by the opposing parties (removal of hit markers and scout markers from aircraft PoV, forced runway take off, moving runways further back.)
I don’t play those, I play War Thunder.
Sounds like you prefer that game, go play it.
Because GSB already exists as its own thing, and a lot of people like GRB as it is and we don’t want a vocal minority to cause change by playing the role of squeaky wheel, and taking advantage of the fact that satisfied players don’t tend to say anything. That’s why I am here in this thread, so when Gaijin goes through the forums looking at player feed back they see that the Anti-CAS clamoring is not a one sided issue, and that there are people pushing back.
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Pick one.
Consistency is a virtue, hypocrisy is a fatal sin.
You cannot claim “Emulate real combat” to justify CAS then reject solutions from other games that seek to emulate real combat at a much deeper level and higher fidelity then decide you no longer want realism.
Pick another argument, or pick one from these conflicting statements.
GSB has the dumbest lineup system that could exist. Because I couldnt play Warthunder today, I don’t get to play my shermans for a while week.
A lot of people also play Warthunder due to lack of viable alternatives.
My hats off to you, noble selfless crusader.
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I have a compromise for you. Instead of demanding a TO version of GRB, why not request a normal matchmaker system for GSB?
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Well then retract what you said then because if you’re misquoting me and being all manipulative about it, then you need to actually be accountable.
Stop making statyements for me and making out I said things I didn’t JUST TO ARGUE LIKE YOU’VE BEEN DOING FOR OVER A WEEK…
You’re the ONLY ones trying to gatekeep because you don’t want any ‘cas mains’ to make any statements, and everyone just shouts everyone down.
If anything, the proponents of this dumb mentatlity to be upset at dying in a GAME are the ones who aren’t helping anyone because they just want to ego-stroke and flex on everyone to the extent they have that it spams up everything, like they proclaim that everyone else does…
It’s just them… Stop moaning and putting your fingers in your ears.
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I have a solution to his problems but he wont listen cause I’m a “CAS main” who doesnt play enough top tier.
The solution in 3 steps:
Step 1:Get all of the Tank Only proponents into a community on something like Discord.
Step 2:Use that community to organize a series of custom lobbies tuned exactly how they want.
Step 3:Play in those lobbies regularly to keep them populated, thus scratching the TO itch, and demonstrating to Gaijin tangible desire for TO better than “Anti-CAS thread #69948” on the forums ever could.
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To be honest, many solutions have been put forth, many alternatives to thier mode have been thrown about, yet they all just want what they demand, and it will never change.
Much the same as their dog-tired arguments and whataboutisms to counter anything and everything that is put forth.
The true issue I have is the want and upset nature of them so much so they have to be abusive and labelistic about who is commenting on thier threads.
It’s nothing to do with what I main, or what I even use in game, it’s about DARING to enter such a thread to not align with them, so much so you get labeled and berated until you are removed or told to pipe-down by a moderator for causing such a fuss.
The issue isn’t who is causing the fuss, but how they are reacting to it.
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When you present people who are upset with a viable solution and they reject it in favor of continuing to be upset then what they are demonstrating is that they do not want their problem solved, they want to be upset.
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i guarantee you cant explain why TO is objectively dumb
complete speculation. youre just a CAS player who is afraid of losing customers (aka targets on your CAS shooting range)
your comparison isnt similar in even a single aspect. but you can try again with another analogy
it will need to be changed in very minor ways.
the biggest potential issue is map design, but usually only unskilled players resort to CAS when dealing with “campers”, so i dont think it actually matters.
you dont want rules and balancing, you want infinite sheep to execute with your heli? is this why youre pulling out desperate and silly arguments against TO
also funny how you compared war thunder to a different game a few comments before, but suddenly other games dont matter
great solution, it would definitely be better over just adding TO as a normal gamemode (it would have the same negative effect on queue times and yet would inconvenience players)
you just cannot write anything that makes sense, all for the sake of keeping players in CAS hell where you thrive
you repeat arguments that are already known to be blatantly incorrect, repeatedly accuse everyone of all sorts of shit (gatekeeping, misquoting, manipulating. youve used the whole vocabulary to accuse me of being an evil bad guy), you fail to formulate text and then resort to aformentioned vocabulary when people dont understand what you meant.
is the “viable solution” in the room with us?
answer is no, it never was. you never proposed anything, you just spewed anything you could against TO
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You’re absolutely talking nonsense…
You are the one who said I said things I didn’t, and wouldn’t acknowledge that this whole time, gatekeeping by ‘top teir’ everything, and been arguing the whole time.
And what vocabulary are you trying to infer I use that’s so ‘bad’? I use hard words that you genuinely don’t understand, then you get frustrated, think you’ll post something that’ll prove me wrong, yet proves nothing but your desire to be ‘right’.
I REALLY do think you haven’t understood anything in your want to be offended and draw ire, for the simple fact that you literally can’t quote me, and can’t acknowledge that you posting a screenshot of a statement made without context is dishonest and manipulative…
You are just arguing to argue, and I really don’t think you have a clue because you are that fixated on trying to argue.
The name of this topic and what is being discussed here is amusing at best.
The issue with SPAA is that people can’t hop into one without dying in a tank first or spawning it at the beginning of the game without being able to predict if their role will be needed.
As long as Gaijin doesn’t allow player to switch their vehicles on spawn (like air units can do on airport/helipad after repairing/rearming) without dying first, the problem will be here and the only solution Gaijin is going to implement are another nerfs/buffs/changes that no one asked for (like the changes to the SP system that many players who like combined aspect of the game are already angry about).
I’m directly calling you out… Don’t make it about everyone else.
It’s tear, and there’s nothing stated in the thread dictating that so stop gatekeeping on it.