I’d say a universal 1.0 increase of every single SPAA 7.3+ would put em in a pretty good place.
The A-4E would needa move up as it’s currently one of the only balanced high-tier CAS planes.
Where do you get that idea? You don’t even start seeing supersonics until 9.3, and most of those don’t get guided munitions.
M163 v.s MiG-15 is far more fitting than XM246 v.s MiG-15
Fr? How then aircraft is allowed to kill ground targets who cant fight back? All those t-34s without even M2 on the roof, them T32s who cant aim up, ect?
Thats basically a strategy to KILL SPAAs without breaking a sweat, meanwhile SPAA like M163 or Gepard cant do shit if the plane acts like this, only wait until it decides to mak a mistake and come too close or fly too straight.
Experience :/
M163 is practically useless against any MiG-15s counterpart, and some machines there already have either ways to drop bombs and rockets from distances more than 1.5km, or just are a helicopter with 3.5km ATGM.
Them Gepards are much more sufficient as SPAA but again having to meet ATGM and guided bombs is ridiculous.
They can still defend against aircraft. A machine gun is still a machine gun. Only difference is that its not suicide to shoot your M2 Browning at a 109 compared to a 109 trying to kill an M16. Also did you know SPAA exists? Yk? The counter to aircraft? What about other aircraft?
What strategy have you provided
So why exactly is it my fault that an enemy SPAA has a skill issue and requires me to put myself in a position where I am even more defenceless than usual. What in the blue hell is a Spitfire meant to do against an M163? What is an A-4B meant to do against an M163? Thats a whole BR up and it cant do anything. People need to understand that CAS is good against tanks, SPAA is OP against both aircraft and tanks, and tanks are pretty good against tanks.
No they cant :3
Even most shermans cant as they cant get the MG high up. And ~65% of machines dont even have MG :3
Say how the AMX M4 is supposed to protet against aircraft?
xD what a joke of a CAS player you are.
Wow now we`re getting somewhere! So, when its “CAS KILL TANKS NO EFFORT” its kay, but when
CREATES DIFFICULTIES TO CAS TO KILL IT its
Wow! What a decent logic we have here.
^if you cant kill SPAA due to “it focuses me” or whatever skill issue is that
^if you CAN swing something to SPAA because “its not focusing me”
^in any provided case up until 9.3 BR
and up until 8.0 its “just drop bomb on it” or “just shoot rocket on it” in 90% of cases. Whether you fly low or dive steep, SPAAs rarely can kill you if you dont fly straight or use some huge fortress that is useles by design
So now its about skill eh?
I thought that you said that
and now its only OP when PLAYER OF THE CAS desides to turn off thinking engine and fly straight too close?
Fly low, show up from behind, cut it with rockets or cannons before it even sees it.
Shoot ZUNI or drom bombs using ballistic computer from 1.2km away because M163 is a garbage which has real working radius of 1km.
Or dive on it from 5km as it cant again do sh…
Why am I the man to say how to defeat garbage SPAAs when its YOU the one who prefers CAS?
Then you have a skill issue
You’re literally missing the entire point but ok. Plus YES TANKS CAN DO STUFF AGAINST AIRCRAFT.
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So you think SPAA should be able to shoot at CAS without any chance of fighting back
“SPAA is only OP when the enemy aircraft is over the battlefield”
Hey so the A-4B doesnt get a ballistics computer
Having a skill issue with SPAA is nothing to be ashamed of man. Just admit it. Now as you are clearly a troll looking to ragebait I’m going to see myself out.
It actually performs quite well against em. They don’t even get RWR.
yeah. Now thats skill issue to not kill P-47D with your main 90mm cannon or its coax 7mm xD
Ah really? Then guide me to that point steadilly :3
Yes, in some cases they can. But plane can kill them in ALL cases :3
I think SPAA is already only able to kill a plane (excluding those top tier ones with rockets of course) in one of three cases:
Any other cases? SPAAs useless. Especially against guded munitions that helicopters and some planes have. Only HE-VT SPAA make decent threat to the air.
So, how actually being 2.5km from the SPAA makes it easy to kill a plane, huh?
My bad, im already used to different aircraft. Still that is a completely valid tactic. I use ZUNI loadout to get rid on all the SPAA wth A-1H, so it should be valid with A-4. ZUNI are perfect to defeat lowly armored machines, and they are pretty easy to aim long distance.
Having a skill issue with rockets aint one too.
I mean. They are pretty obviously fast enough to get rid of it easilly. MiG-15Bis ISh has ballistic computer tho, so its too easy. But even Me262 can get close and splash it with HEs, same goes for any OOragan-ish plane with 4 20s and rockets/bombs. And them SAAB 105s with ballistic computers just delete them no issue. So idk, doesnt sound like it to me. Its same ol “plane got too cocky”-type of SPAA.
well. just sayng. today. i was doing my heli ndirect artylery missions XD. also other 4 helis spawned whyt me and they did same. thing is last couple days i see people doing same D. idk mby cuz of new pantsir. but before i never saw enyone did same .at last in my side XD. also fun fact. spa players they not move from spawn. even if i hit them ,they just siit in same spot.
Please show us how You will deal with a plane coming at You at 80 degree nagle on flat part of the map in a Tiger H1 or T-34-85
You deal with it? Dodge the bomb?
playe dead. work for me. or become wallet warior. .boy su30.become alfa cas player. XD , bully helples childrens. steal theyr lunch money idk D. if ucnt deal cas , become cas.
When it lands on Your tank You can’t dodge it.
Not to menton like Pz. IV against a plane with 12.7mm
First of all a Spitfire is a fighter and meant to be used as CAP against CAS. They are not designed as a ground attack plane - you are wasting lot of it’s potential there.
Second of all - if you MUST use it as ground attack you do have bombs. These bombs can be dropped from outside of the m163 effective range if you are good enough.
Thirdly, you are fighting against a more modern spaa - its a bad matchup for a prop plane. Not every plane is good at fighting every ground vehicle.
Mark 24 has an incredibly strong CAS loadout. If you DON’T use it as CAS its wasted potential
“If you can’t drop bombs from over 2KM away without CCIP thats a skill issue”
“Well it’s a bad matchup” THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT.
The m163 does not even have close to a 2km effective range. 1 km and under.
Maybe you’re thinking of more robust guns like Gepard or Veak 40.
That’s like complaining my AMX-13 can’t kill a Maus. Bad matchup. Happens in battles - especially when you are fighting a full uptier. Go campaign for reduction in uptier levels.
Any radar SPAA
That’s a bad example, your teammates that can are supposed to. SPAA just stay in spawn, either you deal with it or they shoot at you without being touchable
If an m163 sits in spawn it won’t be able to hurt you, or most anyone on your team unless you go near the spawn. 1km. ONE - KM.
But they can shoot at you without you being able to do anything about it.
Only once they spotted the SPAA and/or Know its location 1st. In many cases, rookies be shooting at CAS from far away giving themselves away. That makes SPAA and easy target, but not the well disciplined ones. They will wait for the right time to shoot and not sit in spawn.