Lvrbv with no radar, limited vertical orientation (35 degree) sit 9.7. Vs zsu 23 4M4 with point, click and destroy Strela missiles, 85 degree vertical and 4 23mm guns sitting at only 9.3??
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Those missiles are easy af to dodge, what are you talking about. No where close to the undodgeable Strela.
Ok and? I can use the missiles to force planes to go into defensive mode and forcing them to get into my 23mm gun ranges. What the hell is the Lvrbv 701 going to do against enemy plane in high altitude?
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What defensive mode ? Doing a barrel roll ?
Thats really impressive.
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the swedish thing is better at killing anybody who it can shoot at with its elevation limitation
And dies to anything that looks its way, even to misses due to open topped. At 9.0 it would still barely be used. At 9.7 with no list its an utter joke.
The idea that leads to the 200 plane GRB BR reduction lol. No thanks plane userates have been bad enough.
doesnt matter as a spaa
I face this thing plenty when I play this BR against sweden and it kills my CAS more often than most spaa. It’s fine.
One, it kinda does with manually guided sams, after all a dead launcher, is also a dead missile.
And two, how bad are you to die to a missile that travels 580m/s and is limited to an elevation of 35°. Literally all you need to do to counter one, is fly slightly higher than skimming the ground, and don’t go directly towards it while skimming the ground, and you’re good.
Literally the only upside this thing has is it being beam ridden, and 3m proxy fuze, which is pretty much average… While at the same time the roland 1 has pretty much the same missile, with the same elevation limitations (until the update buffed it) and twice the launchers and nearly twice the ammo…
Any spaa is dead if a jet or helicopter hits you, this doesn’t matter.
Helicopters? Not seeing it in a jet? Seeing it in a jet but not being able to adequately dodge it? Plenty of reasons
Cool! I am not doing this BY DEFAULT. This is something you can do either when you FIND OUT there is one of these around which is usually too late, or you can DEFAULT to doing it but it heavily limits your tactics and options…
It’s a SACLOS sam at a BR where saclos sams dont exist, thats the upside. Roland 1 is at 9.7 too but its the only other example and it has its own exact same elevation issues along with being in a questionably effective lineup
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I forget it exists
Just bought the premium swedish autocannon 9035 or whatever, sometimes I get this lbrvr little chit spaa as foc vehicle, it’s like so slow and also can’t seem to turn and no radar too. don’t even know wtf i was doing anyway. Is this thing any good?
Every AA dies to a hit. Only open topped die from misses 50ft away. Other AA can try to move or evade behind cover. This one cant.
You don’t face this thing ‘plenty’. Utter bullshit. I played ~50 games of 9.3 sweden and saw this thing about 5 times TOTAL. Its literally the worst missile AA in the game and if you are dying to it, that says a lot about you and your playstyle. Trying to say it should be 9.7 because its a SACLOS is like trying to say the T95 should be 9.0 because it has 300mm of armor. You completely ignore the obvious deficiencies.
also adding to my points, in the Japanese tech tree there is the Toyota with arguably better AA capability then the Lvrbv 701 and it only sit at 9.3.
There are a lot of good 9.3 IR missiles. The Santal is also 9.3 and the Improved Chaparral is 9.0 (should be 9.3). The difference is that the 701 is SACLOS. That being said, its a really, really bad SACLOS and anyone who has played 9.x AA would take IR missiles. Mach 2-2.5 on the IR missiles vs a paltry 580m/s means you can catch planes and 4-8 missiles vs 1 per volley.
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Lvrbv 701, even spaded, sucks ahh in general. If you have flown for quite some time at those BRs, pretty much any missile can be outrolled/outrun (unless it’s Osa/Strela). Trash combat module (no search radar, the gunner stands behind it, terrible verticals for SPAA) + trash chasis = meh vehicle. Better than nothing, but won’t be much better even at 9.0