A video for those who claim that bombers were structurally very fragile.
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You severely underestimate the strength of metal.
They’re not built to pierce a lot of armor so they don’t do a good at piercing armor.
Still inferior in anti infantry to most other allied/axis grenades fielded at the time.
Adding the ~120m/s onto the already slowed down round doesn’t have a major impact.
20mm doesn’t produce a lot of spall and thin aluminum doesn’t spall in any noticeable amount either.
Low tier bombers being more survival has nothing to with this thread. They survive a lot of punishment being the guns they fave are shit and deal no damage.
Will look for it later.
Must have been a newly trained pilot why didn’t he just shoot the wing center mass once to remove it?
One more video, this time from the Pacific
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The point still stands, and the fact you continue to reply to everyone isn’t helping your case. Also correction, I meant the Ki-67, I mistake them sometimes. The Ki-67s are around the early mid-tier. Aka they are facing cannons.
I don’t. I think you overestimate Aluminum’s effectiveness against projectiles.
What armour? Aluminum is 0.3-0.5 the effectiveness of RHA depending on the alloy. So 2mm of Aluminum is like 0.6-1mm RHA. And from the HEF statcard, it can penetrate 3mm from the HE impact alone not accounting inertia and plane speed.
Again this all assumes the SPAA got an extremely lucky shot and hit your spar directly.
Its still a significant amount of speed, thats an additional 10% velocity from 1100m/s muzzle velocity.
It doesn’t need to do a lot of spalling if its a direct hit. Most of the fragments will surely perforate the spar.
Tf you expect me to do? Make a thread and stop responding?
Doesn’t matter. They’re not survivable because od their damage model but because of the guns they face.
Something else I would like to point out is that comparing fighter and bomber spars is apples to oranges. Fighters need the extra strength of steel to handle the far higher g loads, whereas bombers would prefer aluminum spars as that is weight savings to carry more fuel or ordinance
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They’re still pretty strong. I did get to work with water bombers and they require strong spars because:
- The weight of the aircraft + payload
- The immediate stress relief when dropping the payload
From the images though it looks like fighters require much more reinforcements.
I actually got to work a little bit on a B-29 at a museum and those spars are huge. They are well over a foot and a half tall. Awesome aircraft to work on
If the spar got penned and the round exploded behind it the fragments wouldn’t deal damage to thag same spar and there would just be a small hole.
The round was already traveling over a km and lost a lot of speed so it’s unlikely to impact at over 1100m/s even witht the speed difference accounted for.
The fragment aren’t big enough to deal serious damage to a spar even after a few rounds hit.
It would have to go through the skin first which would activate the fuze.
Uh yes. Assuming the round lost half of its speed before it hit you (550m/s) then the extra 120m/s would make an even bigger difference since it would be an extra 20% of velocity.
Plus the pressure wave.
The pressure wave is the biggest threat to the spar. If it gets bent enough, the entire spar collapsed. The fragments are kinda whatever, because they won’t end up really deforming the spar’s overall shape. However, in warthunder, because fragments are all that do damage, this sort of behavior is not seen.
The fuze isn’t instant. It can still pen stuff after the fuze is activated.
Not the point. Even if it was 800m/s it’s still far of the 1100m/s it once had.
Still only 11g so it would do some damage but not enough after a single shot. This is no MK108 or ADEN.
Looking at the video, the shell hit you from below, and basically detonated within your wingspar. So the concept of the pressure wave deforming it isn’t as far fetched.
It should be noted the way warthunder does it is so incredibly stupid as to be comical, but it’s no completely implausable
Here is a better look at them
I wish my SUB-I-II did that too…
Quite an ingenious design to be honest. I really like the simplicity and fact that it locks together enough to basically transmit force as the wing bends.
You can see they needed 6 different extrusion profiles to make it, plus that some of them have worn quite a bit over production and corners (and some sides) are rounded off lol.