How about buffing Su-27SM?

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In my subjective assessment, I personally think Su-27SM has poor performance among fighters in the same BR bracket.

I guess this is due to Su-27SM’s hopelessly underperforming radar(N001VEP).
It frequently misses targets, has poor tracking performance, and the TWS performance is absolutely the worst.

Additionally, I also think R-77’s performance, the primary missile for the Su-27SM, is not particularly good.
Because the R-77 has a shorter range than the missiles carried by other fighter jets of the same BR.

Therefore, I think it would be better to either buff either the radar or the missile(adding R-77-1) while maintaining BR, or to have both and increase BR.

To my knowledge, the current specifications of Su-27SM appear to be a mix of the performance characteristics of the Su-27SM2 and SM3 variants. So if gaijin buff it and change the name, wouldn’t that solve the problem?

If you have any thoughts, please reply :)

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lol
the n001 radar is simply that trash mate
sm3 has same radar
sm2 as far as i can tell never existed, was just a paper proposal of putting irbis on a 27sm

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It’s fine for 13.7. Avionics are bad, but you get a strong loadout and decent FM.

Its a jet with high offensive capabilities but bad defensive in a 16v16 environment

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It seems my information about SM2 was incorrect. My apologies… But I heard that the SM3’s radar processing, antenna, and transmitter had been improved. Was this also incorrect information? thanks for good reply.

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Sm’s FM is the best among flankers(In USSR, recent of ingame), but its radar performance is still a bit lacking… ;-;

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27sm and sm3 would use the same radar in game, they both get the vep. 27sm3 gets extra hardpoint for 77s and also 77-1 capability

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If Gaijin actually made the drag of the R-77 variable rather than constant, the missile would perform a lot better in terms of range.

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it might have existed, but only as a test bed and not as a proper variant

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if gaijin were to give the Su-27 its proper FM…

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Best FM is the J-11B but the SM is very close

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Unless cross-verification is possible, we cannot wake up gaijin… How sad… :(

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imo sm is better for relevant df speeds, j11b only better above like 700 kph and at high altitude

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The Su-27SM we have ingame is the closest to the Su-27SM3 with its upgraded engines and the ability to carry 12 missiles

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I’ll just have to trust Gaijin’s coding skills… :(

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How so? The J-11B does everything slightly better at slow speeds too. The engines are a tiny bit weaker at slow speed, but the jet is a bit lighter to offset that.

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according to willie walrus (best dueler in the game probably) 27sm is slightly better than the j-11b, which makes sense looking at statshark charts

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They are indeed very close. also those statshark curves don’t fully match with the in-game testing. Statshark is overestimating both FM at slow speeds

At slow speed, they have the exact same STR within ±0.1deg/s deviance.

The flight performance is so close to the point I can’t possibly have a reliable argument on which is better at slow speeds due to the small performance margin differences.

But since the J-11B appears to be the better FM at high speeds and has better unsustained energy retention across the board (small margins though), I would say overall the J-11B is the better FM.

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yeah, in regular matches j-11b is definitely better, i was talking moreso about 1v1s

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In a 1v1 scenario, the SM has both better and more fox3 missiles for HOBS jousting and better IR missiles for dogfighting.

Guns only I think the J-11B has a tiny tiny advantage but its so small it doesn’t really matter

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Su-27SM is already among the best 13.7s in the game. Its radar is also correct.

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