This^^^ cool footage too ive never seen that before! (i cant like im all out for today)
Yeah, they look awesome, but only visible at night as well, which is another useful thing about them (so we’ll need night matches if/when they are modeled)
So an 11.3 or 11.7 aircraft… with more cms than top tier aircraft of certain nations that hold 96 large cms. Yeah lol.
Makes 0 sense to be below 12.3 if it gets that.
Harriers are either god tier or decently balanced.
So say it stays 11.7, how is a MiG-23 for a good example or F-4 supposed to deal with the harrier? Just gun and run? And hope he doesn’t hear you screaming towards him?
Keep in mind the MiG-23M only has 12 cms which have proven to be quite bad vs aim-9Ls.
At this rate, might as well give the F-4S Aim-9Ms or something lol.
you do this thing where you used your superior speed to your advantage, radar and radar missiles. not everyone is a free kill waiting to happen. also also, if youre willing to accept some of the things we told you about the harriers IR signature, you may have learnt of a way to deal with him. (pss, im not saying to abuse the massive IR signature, but you should totally abuse it if you see a harrier)
im not going to tell you how to play the game. if you can deal with an A10C at 11.7 with 480 countermeasures and the lowest IR signature of any jet… yeah fill in the rest
The Gr7 had 700 CMs for 15 months and was considered underpowered at its BR so it got Aim-9Ms instead of a BR reduction. This was before the BOL nerfs. Its BR did not change until the decompression where it stayed at approximately the same relative BR to everything else.
With their IR signature issues, missing features and still underperforming FM. They are actually weaker than they should be.
How is a T.10 with only 60 CMs meant to deal with an F-4 or Mig-23MLD?
Given 9Ls are underperforming a lot at the moment and the Mig-23M is supersonic… I dont really get this. You have 3x More CMs than you need to defeat the T.10s 4x Aim-9Ls and enough speed to never get in range.
Using this logic I could argue the Su-39 should be 12.3 because the Tornado Gr1’s Aim-9Ls are easily defeated by the IRCM and 192 CMs it carries. Its nonsense argument
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You just defeated your own counter argument.
The Su-39 is slower than the tornado and turns worse.
The ircm isn’t as useful as you often claim. A MAW is FAR more effective
A MAW requires little effort to be useful, an ircm does require effort to be useful. Sure it’s “infinite” until it’s destroyed. But irccm aams ignore it.
The Su-39 is a higher br… but in the case would be smited by the T.10 no?
Describe for me what YOU think an ircm does on the SU-39/25T
You say it requires “effort” to be used?
And the su39 turns tighter then the tornado so youre wrong
Su-39 is slower yes, which is why it has R-73s AND is a lower BR. But the Su-39 actually turns a lot lot better.
Rear-aspect MAWS like on the Harrier Gr7 and T.10 is far weaker than the IRCM, the MAWS will release CMs which might defeat the missile but mostly just warn you something is behind you giving you a little time to react. IRCM prevents rear-aspect shots entirely and given the BR of the Su-39 still has a lot of aircraft with rear-aspect only IR missiles. This entirely defeats an entire class of weapon systems carried by many. Like on the Phantoms, Draken, F-5s, etc.
This is completely and entirely untrue. At the very least I know for 100% fact Aim9M is just as affected by IRCM as Aim-9Gs and Aim-9Ls are from encounters in the Gr7 with the Su-39 in SB.
R-73s + 192 CMs + IRCM
vs
Aim-9ls + 60 CMs + R-MAWS.
Id still be inclined towards the Su-39 holding the advantage.
Giving the T.10 2x BOL, would make it no different to the Su-39 vs AV-8B(NA) that already exists on live.
I have to frame this lmao
Passively jams ir aams in a rear aspect of about 10 horizontal degrees if I remember correctly. If you turn slightly though an aam just hits you anyways.
Yes you have to position yourself to be a be able to use it more so than the T.10.
I also missed the tornado part. Was comparing the T.10 to this in my mind tbh.
You should frame it alongside the RAF docs for it being unflareable if the target is on reheat in nearly any aspect
In a dogfight, the T.10 would clear. Once youre past the merge, any decent pilot would walk all over the SU-39
However, for ruski main guy, airRB isnt dogfights, its furballs. R73 is amazing at gettjng guaranteed 3rd party kill, whilst you’re low to the ground avoiding radar missiles, and ircm to avoid rear aspect shots!
Fun times!
I’ve seen Su-39s get thrown around quite well. In a sustained fight the Su-39 would loose, but it would also loose to a Harrier Gr1 at 9.7 if we were talking about pure gunfighting.
Yeah, If you are trying to dogfight in an Su-39, you are playing it wrong. Its like saying the Tornado F3 should be 11.3 because its loosing dogfights with the F-16s
Just like the Germans killed x5 the amount of Sherman’s produced?
But if the RAF doc is true, let it come to the game, but all 9L aircraft go up 1.7 brs at least. See your problem?
Real. Even tho its slow, forcing headons and 1 circles with its powerful cannon, R73 and large countermeasures suply (along with advanced RWR and ircm) make it really fun to fly in airRB!
I do enjoy this aircraft and its R73s really make it whole. Just like the BOL for the T.10 is going to make it worth playing!
and the Germans won WW2… Oh wait…
No… Not the issue. The issue is how IR signatures are modeled in game, not specifically with the Aim-9L. Overhaul IR signatures, you make ALL IR missiles more effective. But the change wouldnt have any impact on their BRs. At least not alone. IR Combat would change fairly universally but for Aim-9ls specifically, now to defend you have to throttle out of reheat before flaring.
I’ve also seen a fair few pick up kills with the Vikhrs.
Lmao it’s guaranteed to 3rd party a friendly 😂
In sim it’s even more skewed. Especially since you have to factor in cockpit visibility.
Playing it wrong? Sorry I’ll tell the (insert any plane name) to leave me be next time 😂 I’m sure I’ll get left alone.
Are you flagging my posts again…? Really?
I wish USAF put AN/AAR-57 MAWS on F-15E, unfortunately only on F-15SA, SR (maybe), and QA (which US probably getting anyways)
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