Honestly, gaijin really should nerf the rafale

F4 is years after 2015.
There are 2014 photographs as well.

Rafale Meteor tests were done in 2012.

F3R is the standard that integrated Meteor missiles.

They should add the F-22 Raptor with AIM-9X.

Then create a dedicated lobby where only Rafales get to face F-22s.

That’s just a lie. Radars on both of them are absolute dogwater, can’t see a thing right in front of them.

Hu?

Where did you get that from?

If a T3 or 4 can then a T2 can and probably also a T1.

worst deflection attempt ever

Really its not the rafale itself, its that the rafale has recieved buff after buff while everything else has been nerfed and nerfed. Gaijin’s handling of balance at top tier lately is that they’ve completely lost the plot or they’ve just given up. Stuff like the f15ge not being allowed the amber racks yet the su27sm/su30sm gets its equivalent of them.

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Huge false equivalence fallacy in your post.

Sukhoi and Boeing are two entirely separate companies.
AMBER and whatever the manufacturer of the other is are two entirely separate companies.

Just because F-15E has flares doesn’t mean F-100A does.

Vehicles aren’t “buffed” and “nerfed”, they’re corrected based on documentation and other evidence.

The su27sm and su30sm’s double racks for the r77 on the belly are only on the su35 irl afaik, amber racks were at least tested on the f15GE.

Then the Rafale and its weapon systems has been corrected in such a way that has resulted in positive improvements

and everything else (Most recently Aim-9Ms) has been corrected based upon ahistorical information that has resulted in negative changes. A vast number of correction that were reported more than a year ago now, have yet to even been looked at that would result in a positive improvement for a number of airframes. For example reports to correct BOL are coming up to 2 years old

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The manufacturer of the double racks claims Su-30, Su-35 at minimum. Which makes sense sense since they’d want more sales.

The soonest F-15 fitted with MRMLs was the F-15 after the GE in Boeing’s 2018 showcase.
Boeing directly claims F-15EX from public documents. We’ll see in time if it’s more than that [I personally believe it’s at least on the most recent block of F-15C].

@Morvran
AIM-9Ms have not changed in a negative manner since receiving IRCCM according to the update history.

As for BOL, that requires a countermeasures overhaul.
Cause treating chaff and flares as largely equal is as incorrect as BOL flares being reduced intensity, and all of it should be corrected.

Their visibility increased significantly and the seeker is substantially more buggy that it has ever been. Its Flare resistance has also been reduced

Couple with the fact that there is a dozen or so corrections for them, some now 3 years old.

Why?

just revert the changes bar reduced burn time that they made 2 years ago, that fixes the chaff nearly completely (at least within game limitations) and restores the flares to being half usable.

What to do whilst we wait for full strength BOL?

Choice A) Leave BOL flares and chaff massively nerfed
Choice B) restore BOL flares and chaff to largely their former state which would at least mean that the chaff was 95% correct, but the flares still underperformng but at least onpar with everyone else’s flares

I think the answer is pretty cleasr.

To claim “oh but they cant make any changes until its modeled 100% perfectly” is just stupid. What next? Block the Typhoon from being spawned in ASB until such time they fix the HUD?

@Morvran is the shit range of BOL flares accurate, because they do not seem to drop at all, they kinda hover on level with the pylons compared to normal flares, it’s less signifigant with the Chaff, but it makes flaring 2-3x less effective than those that shoot further.

BOL flare packs are supposed to be straight back.

They’re also supposed to be higher intensity, and I wish Gaijin modeled IR countermeasures better.

But burn a lot hotter than traditional flares due to pyrophoric filler, anyways that isn’t present in war thunder so they are just mediocre

Yes… That is correct. But…

BOL “Flares” aren’t flares

Its a cloud of IR material similar to chaff, so the drop position is correct as it will create a cloud of IR Material that totally blocks the aircraft from view

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The issue ingame though is that its handled like not only a regular flare, but a regular flare that is about half the luminoisity of a standard flare, rather than what it should be which is probably more on par with a large flare, if not greater.

Flame’s full write up on how BOL should perform

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Then explain them for the su27sm.