6crh shells would definitely be appreciated given its br and low gun count.
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she’s suprisingly survivable once you have most of the mods done and a decent crew.
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My strategy is going headon and only tilting slightly to one side just before the reload is complete so I can fire all 3 turrets and then go back to head on. I wouldn’t call it survivable tho, but as a 2nd spawn it does work a bit.
Doesn’t that severely cut down on your DPS considering the secondaries have 3 second reloads and can only be fired at 45 degrees off bow or stern on?
Apparently not :(
Probably because the devs not only don’t play the game, but don’t give a care in the world about it as well.
Same with any current 6.3/6.7s honestly. In the current naval compression, a full uptier or downtier situation simply can’t be used to justify BR imho. Almost anything can absolutely crush things 1.0 below, and get crushed by things 1.0 above.
Equality(or some resemblance of it) with peers should be the standard instead. And whilst not all 7.0s are equal right now, Renown is the absolute worst of them by quite a margin. Alaska and Kongo have only slightly better survivability, but have quite better firepower.
Even with all the possible fixes(which btw includes reducing the RoF of the secondaries to 12 rpm), Renown is decidely 6.7 worthy at best.
I’m personally going to suffer through the stock grind, and then put her to use in her historical role of hunting down lesser ships, in naval EC matches.
Honestly I don’t see this making much difference in WT. The 4crh AP already has enough pen for the combat distances in WT, and the filler weight is exactly the same between the 4crh and 6crh shells(not that filler matters much, too), and even the fuze delay is probably the same. Lower BR, deeper draft and deck slope extension, and HE-VT for the secondaries would make a much larger difference imho.
I find that exposing the bow and stern is actually worse than going broadside for Renown. The fore and aft bulkheads protecting the magazines are just 4 inches thick, and shells can easily pass through here to the magazines. If you go broadside, the deck slopes protect the magazines pretty well aside from underwater shots. Going broadside makes you a larger target and the engines(which only have 2 inch deck slopes) become more vulnerable, but at least you become harder to one-shot. And as Stiel mentioned, it allows you to keep up the secondary DPM as a nice bonus.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/164vm51/renown_has_no_turret_roof_armor_and_is/
Is this a known issue? I know it’s actually a completely different issue from what’s described there(it’s the barbette tops that are missing, not the turret roofs), but the images still show the issue clearly.
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On this part, i have to seriously disagree with the fact that it could be placed at 7.0 for few reason.
One, since its 4.5" gun don’t have HEVT it basically only capable of deterring 5.0-6.0 bomber at best while only deterring 4.0-5.0 fighter that can carry 2X1000lb bomb level despite having 10 gun on each broadside
Two, we all know that 4.5" gun can barely fight off light cruiser-armor level with SAP in close-medium range HENCE to qualify its place at 7.0 it need to have at least 5.25" gun found on Dido-class instead in place of 4.5" gun mount…
Three, HMS Glorious gun is similar to HMS Renown gun that is badly nerfed for 15" gun HENCE i agree with 6.7 at highest…
Fourth, If placed at 6.3, it DEFINITELY One-Shot Kill almost all cruiser except Ikoma & Graf Spee SO it should be 6.7 max EVEN IF Gaijin finally expand naval BR limit to 8.0 one day
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Anyone played Battle-class using HE-TF shell against almost all rank 3 bomber, fighter and attacker can understand why i said it… Even if the Renown is placed on slot with fully trained crew, its time-fuzed crew skill only useful on any plane flying slower than 500km/h at best & at altitude of 1500m or lower, any higher than that is only give 5%-20% chance…
IF any of you doubt this word, go ahead and spray the sky with HE-TF shell at least 200 shot in 1 match, then tell me via message
Basically, flying lower, slower speed and bigger plane you are using, the higher chance of getting hit by those HE-TF shell but still not close to HE-VT shell of course.
Known issue
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Why i suggest 5.25" gun instead, anyone ever used HMS Dido in game would understand how good its firepower can fight off even Hipper-level armor although it doesn’t ammorack it in one salvo… and this gun are much better in medium-long range firefight against even heavy cruiser despite its difficulty of using this gun…
To add some more info, despite having difficulty to shoot aircraft, it indeed capable of shooting high-altitude bomber than 5" gun on USS Atlanta and only on par with HMS Tiger’s 6" gun when barraging the skies…
While USS Atlanta can barrage the skies single-handedly, deterring multiple high-altitude bomber that flies under 4km, its gun are not enough to deter any plane that flies 4km and above which basically BR 6.3 and above would normally fly especially early JETS
Think you’re completely missing his point there… Secondaries are not the main point. Giving Renown HE-VT for the secondaries is more of a fairness issue compared to Alaska and Nevada which already have HE-VT, than a true deciding factor in her BR. Against late cruisers and capital ships, the 4.5" and 5.25" won’t make much difference(aside from the obvious historical fact that Renown was never equipped with the latter). The 4.5" is actually arguably better due to the higher HE shells DPM, which is the main purpose of such secondaries at such high BR fights.
The same’s true for most current 6.3s when they get downtiered. Again, uptiers and downtiers can’t really be used to argue for or against certain BRs within the current extreme compression. And Ikoma and Spee can also be easily one-shot by Renown. They’re worse than stuff like Helena for a reason.
Not really. It still can’t do much against 6.0+ cruisers, which would still be the majority of the cruisers you wil see, even if Renown’s BR gets lowered. And as I said above, all this doesn’t matter in the end, as Renown was historically never fitted with the 5.25" guns.
4.5" guns with HE-VT would still be more than enough against both other high BR ships and aircraft.
IF players using big bomber and flies lower than 4000m height then it’s 4.5" HE-TF can deter it BUT SADLY it doesn’t have HE-VT shell hence my comments…
Yes that’s why we’re all asking for HE-VT here in the first place.
Hopefully Gaijin add it in game… sooner the better… BUT still i hope that Gaijin lowers its BR to 6.7 at least along with adding HEVT shell and fix some part that make this ship true glass cannon that easily got ammoracked by 8" AP shell based on what i’ve seen on youtube video…
Yeah. All that is what we’re all asking for here.
Though 8" AP can only detonate a normal Renown with lucky underwater shots which are not easy with that caliber. The videos going around are mostly situations where the Renown was listing to one side, exposing the magazines even more and allowing even 8" AP to reach the magazines without going through water and thick armor.
Does all 8" AP or SAP can get that lucky hit or only a few one including super-heavy APCBC from Baltimore-type & Des Moines can do that??
Not all of us have managed to ammoracked dreadnoughts with 8" AP/SAP shell so far except chipping its HP down
With Gaijin’s unhistorical underwater trajectory, 6 inch base fuze HE can explode HMS Renown. Moderator already tested that every capital ship can be exploded with 8’’ APCBC in 10 km.
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Thanks for this info… That would be all from me about HMS Renown… next time you guys heard my post would be on the other post
So far I’ve only seen the Baltimore and Des Moines’s AP do it. But there’s no reason to believe that other 8" guns won’t be able to do the same.