Frankly say M247 and PGZ09 are the most dangerous SPAA around 8.7-9.0, Consider most of the planes or helis don’t have RWR or pretty bad RWR These SPAAs use stealth belts that can destroy everything, and before you notice them when they are firing, compared with ZSU23-4M4 or Sidam, I am 100% sure they are much more efficient with anti-air, escpailly for jets.
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They should be given a round in the stock belts imo, and then they could reasonably go up in BR if need be. Until then, putting them up in BR would make their stock grinds unbearably impossible, and them being restricted to AP belts until tier 4 mods is quite sad as is…
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We have already saw this very complaint and how it would work out with the VEAK40. They removed its HEVT ammo and dropped it to 7.7 where the tank is still absolutely useless.
If you are any decent in a plane, shooting AA players in GRB is like shooting fish in a barrel as it is now with the small map sizes anyways. Flying in the BR range where you are likely to meet radar guided AA you should always assume you are under fire.
Otherwise if you cant take being shot back at by the ground targets you are trying to destroy, go play ARB.
There are only 2 true solutions to the issues of CAS vs AAA in GB.
1, make the map sizes triple what they are now. That way there is enough spread so the CAS and AAA have to actually hunt for targets or communicate with their teammates.
OR 2, just remove planes from GB altogether.
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I think they can just easily get ahead of HEVT, for PGZ09 is easy to get Ahead belt due to better ammunations, but for M247 it should have HEVT as the tier 1 mods or get AP belt
The simple way is let’s have a 1v1 to see if you can dodge M247 or PGZ09 by skill, you can choose any CAS around this BR, especially when SPAA now already got Cheat mod by crew members report direction and alt, which is much easier. And this is not top tier, no laser guide pod, no F&F AGMs, pilots can only use eyes to find SPAA, which is hard or you are cheating, SPAAs can easily using radar lock and hide anywhere when they are approaching.
If you going to complain you are bombed by a CAS around this BR, then will be 100% skill issue due to lack of knowledge how to using radar SPAAs, Or Can I doubt you have never played M247 or PGZ09 till now?
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If you are going to complain that you get shot down by SPAAs, when you in the plane have over 4x the map size to maneuver in, then that is 100% a skill issue and a lack of knowledge of how to use your plane.
SPAA arent MBTs. They have no armor, and thus are rarely found far past spawn or the first objective infront of their spawn. Which are literally marked on your map for you in the plane.
If you are in this BR range and you havent learned to side climb, or dive and use terrain to your advantage, then that is definitely a skill issue.
You should try actually looking at the stats for the radar on these vehicles. The M247 currently has a 24.5degree vertical scan zone, once you get above that it can no longer see you.
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So you don’t even know real map size and just Imitate my sentences？
Have you ever been know M247’s armor is even better than most of LT?
And that’s why I am talking, most of the SPAA players’ skill issues that never left the spawn point.
Any trying climb and dive for PGZ09 or M247 is suiside, especially for those planes without RWR and CCIP, Unless you are using your 100-inch screen to find those SPAA far from 3km. OR if you want to try lets have a solo to test what you said.
And you don’t even know the actual radar scan range and vertical, also how to use the crew members’ report.
Have you ever play M247 or PGZ09? Now I am really doubt that
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I actually find those tracerless vehicles comparatively easy to find at the BR. Yeah, there’s no laser beam of tracer fire to track back to it’s source, but there will be a single vehicle illuminated by the constant muzzle flash (Ahistorically, in most cases), with no tracers coming out. If you’re scanning as you should be on the way in, you’ll probably spot this long before the rounds come close enough to threaten you.
Then it’s a simple matter of diving down below the horizon and doing a pop up attack on the now known position of the enemy SPAA. This is also where the tracerless nature comes back to bite the SPAA again, as without tracers it’s more difficult to predict the lead you need in a snapshot without relying on the RADAR.
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the muzzle flash is bright enough that you can see it almost the second you spawn in your plane
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And that’s why I love using an electro-optical tracking system to lock and wait for them to approach, or using smoke to hind myself to make those planes believe I was a just a tanks but still lock them
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So basically what i am seeing by your complaints is you believe you should just be able to fly straight in and drop your bombs uncontested?
Another “My CAS isnt overpowered!” complaint.
Armour
front / side / back
Hull
110 / 76 / 35 mm
Turret
25 / 12 / 12 mm
Visibility
192 %
At 9.0 BR with most everything throwing HEATFS and APDS this is no armor at all.
And just goes to show that you arent willing to put in any effort into actually getting better at CAS, and you just want the kills handed to you.
Cant lock a plane that has dove behind terrain correctly.
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“I cant just press 2 buttons to get 1 gazillion kills at this BR, spaa too op plez nerf”
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That’s something I hadn’t considered, and haven’t seen in game. That’s actually kind of ingenious. Of course, you’re relying on having enough smoke charges to seperately engage every aircraft. Not sure how many charges they get, as I don’t own either of them.
M247 has 12, with 4 thrown each press
Thats because the giant smoke cloud is instantly seen from the air, and is an immediate bomb magnet in 90% of cases.
Not to mention it also tells all the enemy tanks where you are.
So you admit you haven’t played them and don’t know their difference compared to other SPAAs? And also like other CAS PTSD suffer, be sensitive with any SPAA complaint, ah so typical. Consider you haven’t try them and lack of using this BR range CAS, I can forgive your arrogance.
And you don’t even know how the armor protects it from overpressure, espailly from bombs and rockets, only knows using tank ammunition to prove it has pretty bad armor?
And you still don’t know how to using crew members to report the plane direction and altitude, and don’t forget what do said how to climb and dive
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It’s a bomb magnet, but also one spitting tracerless HEVT/AHEAD rounds out at the plane. I can see falling for that trick a couple of times before getting very wary of smoke clouds in non-front line positions.
I wouldn’t position either of those SPAA in an area where enemy could easily push me. Both are slow and exceptionally vulnerable. Not feasible on several maps, but you get the idea.
M247 alone isnt a problem if you are competent with CAS, its incredibly easy to dodge it by just not going slow and maneuvering, doesn’t matter if said uses HEVT or not, the guns are innacurate, or literally just dropping bombs from alt, they are not a problem and placing both at a higher BR just makes them completely useless again. Your ignorance simply because you can’t go in blindly without being killed by something meant to kill planes effectively is pathetic
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Dude, you really need to research into how these things work. the crew reporting only works if the plane is visible, and you are already looking at it, or the team mate who called it out is. Just like the scouting feature of light tanks, It not a magic button that instaspots everything, the person spotting the target has to see it.
And if you are being seen that way, then you are playing CAS wrong.
And you are just admitting you dont know how to play CAS.
The VEAK 40 was far better than your two mentions when it had its HEVT belts. And at a lower BR as well.
I currently have Sweden ground and Helis fully researched and have played with your mentioned tanks and against them regularly. You should look at peoples stat cards before calling them arrogant.
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the VEAK was a genuine nightmare to go against when it had its HEVT, and you could easily uptier it without any worry