I don’t think anyone would dispute that, but the thread is about BRs.
Italy at least gets the Mi-24D and A129CBT, though it’s not a 13.0 at all the AH-129D is better than anything Sweden gets.
Swedens best Heli is the Mi-28A, and it’s actually not that great (SPO-15 lmao).
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Brother… you did not just say the Mi-28A is bad… it’s literally only lacking a thermal and is lower in br than the Soviet one.
It also, for some reason is much cooler than the Soviet ones, meaning anti air missiles like stingers can miss far easier, likely a bug, but regardless it’s not bad.
It has a good gun, good mobility, and good ATGMs.
The Mi-28N has an RWR
Any new game mode would be a welcome, I’m not sure if there has been any changes to the battle ratings ever since the FnF besides the spikes
The Mi-24s are the strongest 9.7 in the game ATM, try playing the AH-1s at 9.7 and you will know true misery, the Swedish 9.7 is also ass.
I played the AH-1F recently and I’ve written off 9.7 Helis, the free SPAA just means you get spammed by Ozelots/Gepard 1A2s/ZSU-23-4M4s and you die immediately. Maybe the Mi-24s/Tzefa DE can survive a little longer through periodic flare drops but I’m not interested in playing that rn.
With the Mi-24s you can stay out of range of the missiles and you also have enough CMs to do flare series and your missiles are fast and good at range, the AH-1s have non of this are terrible.
I’m not sure that’s the case, I’ve been hit by MANPADS at 5km in the Superhind.
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Type 93 and strela can get you on warm maps at that range, most others cant, especially on cold maps.
It was a Machbet on Eastern Europe.
No heli survives a gerpard / ozelot / lav-ad.
They’re all really really good spaa
The mi-24s aren’t that good. They run too hot in game, and once an Fim-92 is fired, you’re dead, no matter how you dump the flares, no matter if your Ircm jams it. Maybe I have really bad luck, but I’ve never had a fim miss me.
And before you say “did you do this?” Yes. I know how to dodge them. They’re just OP spaa missiles.
Israeli Little Bird could easily go down to 8.7, only 4 TOWs and mediocre optics. It’s really not that much better than something like the Alouette (which also gets 4 MGs along with 4 SS.11)
AH-64A going to 11.3 also wouldn’t really be anything crazy, sure 16 hellfires but it can’t compete with 12.0 SPAA
AH-64D could go to 11.7 aswell
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surely it has nothing to do with its premium status)))
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it WAS 8.7, and literally NOBODY asked for it to be higher
it literally has nothing bro… no rwr, guns, countermeasures… NOTHING
what a joke
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still better than sweden
What would you add for Sweden (or its subtrees) in terms of helicopters? They don’t use attack helicopters irl and have already received 2 trialed helies.
I can only think of naval Seahawk, giving it better missiles with technically possible.
Italian Leonardo is actually one of the biggest helicopters manufacturers in the World, that’s a shame that their tech tree is so thin currently.
Even Swedish HKP3C is actually Italian built AB.204B, which for some reason we still don’t have in the Italian TT with their weapons.
Italian helicopters tree at bare minimum should be smth like this (including subtrees branch and naval helicopters, which can also work against ground):
Spoiler
Btw it’s also funny how Gaijin thinks that 8 Spike ER/PARS = 16 AGM-159/CM-502KG or 8 LMUR. Current Spike carriers should be at least one step lower from these or they should give them Spike ER2.
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Not my problem.
The approach to balancing end game Helis has been atrocious, I can only assume this is because they looked at top helis and decided everyone needed Fire and Forget missiles; even after they added LDIRCM which is all the Mi-28NM and Z-10ME needed to stay relevant. With Vikhrs and AKD-10s they would have been able to fight at top tier but still be checked by SACLOS SAMs like the FlaRad/ADATS etc. instead of having to be lucked by an IRIS-T/Aster/AMRAAM or chased by a Jet
And no one will convince me AH-64E with LDIRCM+JAGM MRs would be more balanced than AH-64Ds with Longbow Hellfires. Gaijin bending themselves into a pretzel to avoid adding 114Ls has been comical.