Yeah. Helicopters aren’t in any good position to say the least.
Appreciate the thought out reply. Just on where we disagree :
It’s definitely an issue of consistency, and one I am pained by often mainly playing Israel who only has IR SAM’s. Sometimes It will let me lock an Alouette 4km away, sometimes I cannot lock a Eurotiger 1.5km away. Varies game to game based on Heli, map temperature and the… idk how to articulate this… ‘opacity’(?) of the atmosphere. Like fog density so to speak. Makes it very frustrating for IR AA player to often feel helpless.
I’m really not sure I agree. The guys new to Heli’s who just hover in place or fly in straight lines, aye, absolutely, but the guys who actually know what they’re doing and fly erratically / evasively are extremely difficult to do anything against. The few HEVT SPAA’s can still delete them, but it’s far harder for anything else to hit the Heli, than it is for the Heli to hit them back. Big issue on open maps that lack vertical cover.
The issue / specific case I’m referring to is one we have actually seen before when the near Heli pad did have AA. On some maps, that near helipad is close enough to the battlefield that actually would shoot down CAS/CAP not even threatening the Helipad.
Something like a Z10 can just position itself so it has good coverage of the battle area whilst remaining in its own helipads AA bubble. Makes it extremely difficult to counter him when he has TY90’s / Cannon / AA firing at the CAP, whilst the CAP can’t really do anything other than run the gauntlet to get in gun range.
Only way I see getting around this is moving helipads further away (or just removing the close one) so Heli’s still have to leave that protective bubble to do anything.
Sounds like an Israel problem, just like Italy has the same problem.
And I have plenty of clips, I took earlier to back up exactly what I said. Kept dying to the first 3 AAs I mentioned.
Although I never saw this, I’d believe it. But for all the other helis who can hardly defend themselves. It’s not really fair. Yes, I do agree it’s not the best if the spaa covers the battlefield, but I say it’s somewhat okay due to cas dominance, and many people don’t have top tier spaa.
But if it covered up to 2km away from the battlefield, or even 3 it would be nice.
The nearest airfield is still a long flight for low tier helis.
And I try to be as reasonable as possible.
I’ve come to the conclusion, that it is pure self harm to play low tier helicopters… it’s just super annoying. I’ll fire any atgm, and the target always dies beforehand atgm lands. Not to mention, all the 8.7 / 8.3 AAs can clobber the helicopters with ease.
100000% NO
skill issue
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You don’t like Ai spaa because you probably spawn camp helis in planes, or you spam cas. Which… is unsurprising, as that’s the typical notion.
It’s a skill issue, that a Mi-24D, V, or P can hardly turn to effectively engage a jet coming to kill it? Or spaa out ranging those low br helicopters?
You are in full form, biased there friend.
its better than helicopters also being untamed.
actually most people arent okay with it anyway but to remove everything at this point is not reasonable while not making helis op is still reasonable. thats how the community opinion is shaped.
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I didn’t even get to read it lol.
But as I was saying, it’s a bit odd planes get to be so dominant. But screw helicopters I guess
frankly , i didn’t think i’d see this kind of topic here but here’s my 2 cents, playing low tier helis has been very painfull, it’s already bad enough with the russian 4km atgm, but what about the swedish one with the 2km potshot. I can barely farm to get next tier .
It’s either getting jetrushed or getting AA killed,atleast with the AA i can sometimes evade it, not a spawncamping jet.
I do not understand why this is even a discussion. If you disagree that helis do need some kind of deterrence protection from at the very minimum enemy jets, you are just trying to get easy heli kills as a plane. Shame on you.
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I agree. I played a bunch of matches trying to get into helicopters yesterday. I think my longest life was 3 mins, shortest was 14 seconds. All died to planes, except 1 time. So roughly probably 14 deaths to planes, 1 death to spaa.
Out of the 15 deaths I think I scored roughly 8-9 kills.
150k RP for the second helicopter which sucks for its BR for the most part, unless it’s a Huey. The RP% for kills is insanely low.
Helicopters generally just suck because of the grind, and the stupid ‘module addition’ for vehicle that have no modules a single hit from a .50 cal and there goes your ability to fire anything. No gun, no unguided rockets, it’s bullshit.
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I get why they did it for the highest tier helicopters.
But Mi-24s, and other big helicopters which are mostly cargo get hit by pebble and suddenly your a big hunk of junk about to die.
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May I ask why the Dev team made helicopter gameplay so God D**n bad?
7.7 helicopters are impossible to grind.
8.0-8.3 are somewhat okay but usually planes / spaa get them.
8.7-9.7 it’s hit or miss, either they are awful or they’re decent.
10.0+ is just a mess.
Also, why do Fim-92E/Ks always nail flaring and moving helis???
My buddy and I tested this, as the Sweden mi-28a was able to dodge 4 fims.
Meanwhile in our own testing, no other helicopter could evade a stinger… like how is this fun?
All the things I find fun are being ruined, and honestly I want my money back at this point. If I knew where this game was headed 7 years ago I wouldn’t have played.
I adore helicopters but can’t play them, because to planes im a free kill, to spaa I’m an easy kill… they’re the main reason I continue to play
Like what is going on at Gaijin HQ???
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That’s how tank players feel when playing ground battles lol screw planes and helicopters.
Speaking of grinding, can play ground assault mode to grind for parts or the research for the next one, a little boring but you will make consistent progress every game unlike PvP sometimes you die with no kill which is waste of time with no progress.
I’d rather just do the heli game mode at that point.
Also helicopters are not nearly as op as planes
All this time later, helicopter gameplay is for masochists. Thanks gaijin, planes are allowed to roam free, but a usable heli is not allowed.
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i understand the nerf for top tier helis but the lower ones too? come on lol today i was trying to grind my german Mi24P, to unlock ATGMs i have to grind to TIER 3 mods using only rockets since its the only thing you have.
flew into the battle zone flanking and try to get close because only rockets. 1 hit into my fuselage, nothing critical. Wasnt able to shoot or use flares anymore, awesome!
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I have an entire folder of full BS deaths recorded. Really sums up how terrible heli gameplay is.
Most of it is dying right after taking off, getting your weapons disabled from a single round, and clipping invisible hitboxes. You can literally get sniped by SPAA with obstacles in the way. AND you’re FORCED to have to get close to all the crap that can swat you out of the sky. Helicopters aren’t meant to fly in contested airspaces and areas filled with SPAA like they do in war thunder. Yeah, some helicopters are OP (KA-50) but those are a minority. The rest have to suffer with unguided weapons which are pretty much useless in most cases. What makes it even worse is that you have games that aren’t even vehicle-focused that do helicopter gameplay 100x better. Theres almost no variety when it comes to the things we can do with helicopters in war thunder.
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I would say the FNF helis are far more Op than the Ka-50