Aircraft is actually easy to grind, relatively, so they wouldn’t do that.
And it still doesn’t solve the problem with modules, so helicopters continue to be whale bait it seems.
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Yeah, the SPAA thing drives me insane. I hate watching players get shot down by convoys and Rolands before they can even get close enough to damage them.
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To further add to that earlier suggestion, maps like Afghanistan/Canyon just need to go lol
Cover is a very important part of Heli warfare in this game, and those maps either lack it or make it meaningless (and Canyon’s ZA-35s are bugged to be death machines)
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Canyon really does need to go or at least be overhauled. Every vehicle in the convoy can shoot you down at around 3-4km and bases spawn right next to the convoy spawn. Battles also rarely spawn on canyon.
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It’s the worst map by far. Even if Afghanistan is pretty bad, it does at least have some terrain cover and convoys that don’t aimbot you the second you enter their range…
Vietnam is alright, and pretty much every other map is pretty damn good comparatively.
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This map is the worst but heli battle itself feels like a punishment! I would like to know the story behind this!
The project was given to the intern with a 24 hours deadline?
The dev was challenged to create the mode without his hands?
Razervon was licking his toes under the desk during the project, which was distracting?
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My main issue is “how the hell I am supposed to grind modules for my helicopters” whatever I do it takes forever…
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It’s extremely predatory, when you consider many helicopters you have to rocket rush in grb just to unlock ATGMs. GJN are basically trying to force you to pay for modules. Freemium gaming.
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Unfortunately, there’s no easy way to do it unless you spend money on a premium account and a talisman. Even then, it still takes forever. I don’t think people would mind the grind as much if the gameplay was actually fun. As of now it only consists of getting shot down by 2S38s, getting shot down by jets, getting shot down by SPAA, camping and shooting ATGMs, tickling tanks with rockets before immediately getting evaporated, and racing other players to targets in PvE. I think more objectives in PvE would fix most of that.
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Yeah it’s super annoying to grind. In GRB, the rewards are somewhat very low even if you get a kill or two (At least I am currently grinding the Swedish, so I have ATGM right from the start) and the PVE takes so long for very boring targets/objectives…
I am sad because as usual Gaijin nailed the controls, making helis very usable but they are just so bad to grind.
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The rewards you get for helis are terrible. I mean sure if you get 10 kills per game with a heli your rewards would be decent but it’s nearly impossible to get that many kills per match. Only way you’re doing that is by sitting above your helipad launching ATGMs IF a plane doesn’t shoot you down.
If I consistently got 3 kills per game in a heli, it would take me 188 games to unlock the next one in the tech tree. And yeah, you can use tanks to research them, but 4 kills WITH premium AND talismans only got me
4,840/300,000rp. Thats 61 games of consistently getting 4+ kills. The grind really doesn’t suck too bad it’s just the methods and game mechanics that make it unbearable. The rewards you get (especially for helis) really don’t scale to the amount of effort you have to go through to get them. It’s like trying to build a sandcastle with one grain of sand at a time or trying to make a liter of lemonade with one dehydrated lemon and no arms.
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Add these, and make it PvP, as well as Simulator mode as well. Oh, also, make the heli RP either more grindable, or cheaper.
Even the steam page for the new heli mentioned more roles for helicopters. They already have the answers to this problem.
Spoiler
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ASW, S&R, and Troop Transport would go hard as secondary objectives for utility helis
They could introduce exclusively ASW helis/weapons for existing helis as well…
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They actually already have a few ASW airframes in the game.
Ka-29
UH-60 (MH-60)
Z-9 (Z-9C/EH)
UH-60(SH-60)
LYNX (Super Lynx)
Pretty much every nation has at least one. Could be a whole new lineup like naval helicopters.
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Yeah. Map is overly hard, and AI is too simple.
That and the fact that every vehicle in the convoy is just as effective as SPAA. The APCs and MBTs can shred you just as good from 3-4km away. The map is also terrible for helis because you have to spend 5 minutes climbing to get to the top of the canyons. The A.I is broken too. Just a few games ago I had one of the SPAA phase through a ridge and end up driving down the side of it. Completely left the convoy to phase through the only cover I had then cooked the whole team.
Grinding through US helis with PVE and it’s clear that the RP gains (before bonuses) are capped at approximately 1200 RP/10minutes or 7200/hour.
That means that without a premium heli, talisman, boosters or premium account, you’re looking at a minimum of 430 hours of heli pve to grind the US tree alone (~3.1 million RP).
That’s IF you always have enough “useful actions”, which is a big if considering that there are often gaps where nothing spawns or where there is only one or zero objective available.
Insanity
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Yeah, I’ve gotten to the point where I kind of wanna give up on helicopters all together. There just isn’t much for helicopters to do in the game. I just unlocked the UH-60 today then realized the only things I can do with it are:
- Get shot down by SPAA and Aircraft
- Lob unguided rockets and maybe damage an enemy
- Sit off in the distance and use ATGMs
- Waste hours racing other players for points in heli PvE
Heli PvE hasn’t really been touched in years and I haven’t seen anything in the dev blogs that say otherwise. For, 2 years, there have been tons of players suggesting ways to improve it but the devs just completely ignore them for some reason.
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I do some Heli PVE when I don’t want to get into a match… And it’s just so bad.
The game mode feels like it was made 20 years ago.
Objective spawning under you… It’s not unusual that a bunch of gepard suddenly appears within a km of me.
The objectives feels kinda weak, nothing is very “interesting” to do, it feels bland.
Also the fact that when I take my Tigre HAP there (grinding the French helis atm), I only get matched with Heli that have far superior capabilities (Apaches and Hokum)…
And yep, even with 200% boosters I managed at best 20K RP for a FULL GAME where I scored about 3500 points iirc.
To be perfectly honest, the only way to grind the helis is to grind them with tanks by checking the option on the tech tree.
The main thing is grinding the modules, and honestly on some helicopter I am that close of GE some modules…
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