Hawk 200s, Ground BR change and loadout

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The Hawk 200s have been added and their A2G loadouts whilst good, are a little underwhelming for their given BRs.

The Hawk 200 sits at 10.7 with 4x AGM-65B and the Hawk 200 RDA sits at 11.0 with 4x AGM-65B. This has a number of issues, starting with the main one, we have no 11.0 vehicles, this renders the Hawk 200 RDA pointless to run without uptiering the entire lineup, which just doesnt seem worth it.

If we look at a directly comprable vehicle, such as the A-10s, then the loadouts and BR seem extremely underwhelming.

The A-10A at 10.3 can carry 2x Aim-9L, 6x AGM-65B and additional A2G, all whilst having 480 CMs. This is far stronger than the Hawk 200s, 4x AGM-65B, with no AAMs at the same time with only 60 CMs. Its only advantage is a higher top speed.

The A-10A late at 10.7 can carry 4x Aim-9Ls. 6x AGM-65Ds and additional A2G, all whilst having 480 CMs. The Hawk 200 RDA can carry 2x Aim-9Ls and 4x AGM-65Bs with only 60 CMs and again, has a higher top speed, but also has a radar.

So in terms of A2G. the Hawk 200 at 10.3 would be still be weaker than the A-10A and the Hawk 200 RDA at 10.7 would still be weaker than the A-10A Late.

As it stands, there is evidence for the Hawk 200s having later models of AGM-65s and so the AGM-65Bs at this time, should be considered deliberate balancing decision, which doesnt really make much sense.

(The PD Radar + Skyflash combo is also irrelevant as the Phantom FGR2 is 10.7)

Proposal:

Aircraft: Hawk 200
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 10.7 —> 10.3

Do you agree with this BR change?

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Aircraft: Hawk 200 RDA
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 11.0 —> 10.7
Additional change: AGM-65Bs —> AGM-65Ds

Do you agree with this BR change?

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  • No
0 voters

Do you agree with this Loadout change?

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  • No
0 voters
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They need their AGM-65D’s/G’s and FLIR system. Not giving them their night attack capabilities is dumdum, especially if they insist on keeping them at their current BR’s in comparison to other jets with better capabilities which are lower or similar in BR.

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AGM-65Gs would justify having both be 11.0+ for ground.
D is 10.7 though.

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Holy Sh** they just raised each one by 0.3 haaaaaaaa wtaf

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They did what

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These Hawks dont have an FLIR system. That was a mock-up of the Hawk 200 Night Attack variant.

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Ahh, right ok. So they don’t have a FLIR system and no stand off weaponry for night battles so I guess that warranted the BR increase they both just got today then huh? Lmaoo…

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Compressed them for SIM I guess…

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The Hawk 200 was always 10.7 and the Hawk RDA was added at 11.0 ground. Im not sure what BR increase you are referring too. RDA was increased to 11.3 for air only.

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any perticular idea why its these BRs given the A-10As are far far better and 10.3/10.7 respectively

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A-10s have worse flight performance and less missiles in the case of the RDA. As always, BRs are subject to change.

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Though has 8x the CM count and probably better low speed handling

Except, it has more?

4x Aim-9Ls + 6x AGM-65Ds + Additional empty hardpoints vs 2x Aim-9Ls and 4x AGM-65Bs with no additional hardpoints.

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A-10 has a max of 4 missiles. Hawk can carry 6. Air-to-air loadsouts are still a factor in ground, as many choose to go hunting there also. 4 AIM-9L and 2 Skyflash or 6 AIM-9L are not insignificant at that BR at all.

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For CAP, Id rather have the Phantom FGR2 with 4x Aim-9Gs and 4x Skyflash DF with a PD radar at 10.7 over the 4x 9ls and 2x Skyflash DFs of the RDA at 11.0.

At the moment, I just see no reason to ever bring the RDA to GRB given that we have no 11.0 line-up

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@Smin1080p_WT I realize this is a Hawk thread, but please allow me to ask a question about another 11.0 subsonic attacker, the AMX.

Since we’re seeing an increasing amount of attackers with AGM-65 and other fire-and-forget weapons saturate the 10.3 to 11.3 BR space, I believe the AMX with it’s now obsolescent laser-guided bomb loadout deserves a second look.

Is it possible to get some kind of fire-and-forget weapon on AMX like Opher which was used operationally, or alternatively AGM-65 Maverick which was in fact mounted on pre-production aircraft?

If neither of these are coming soon then I believe it’s BR should be revised, it’s totally outclassed at 11.0 for reasons I have laid out here

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