I suspect “AGM” refers to heavy air to surface missiles such as AS-30, and the reason why it’s restricted to inner pylons is that they exceed the 1000lb weight limit for the other two.
Meanwhile the AGM-65 is only about 600lb
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It has never been clarified.
After all, neither Italy nor Brazil has ever used the Maverick.
In Italy it was adopted only by the Navy for the AV-8B Plus, and the AMX was never exported.
It would be interesting to have anti-ship missiles. For that, besides the photos taken at shows, there are pictures of prototypes flying with the Kormoran, Exocet, or Marte—unless they insist on keeping the Kormoran exclusively for the German Navy’s IDS (Tornado) aircraft.
As for the Exocet, they didn’t even put it on the Super Étendard, so I doubt it.
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This is the photo OP used in bug report
However, among the photos attached in this suggestion post are also these:
In that last one, isn’t that a AGM-65 mounted next to the Skyshark
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those are classified as marketing activities for devs.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t pictures like these used recently for LMUR missiles?
Also KH38 (MT I believe)
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Just to clarify, I’d be very happy to have Mavericks for the AMX, but in the past all the weapon proposals shown at trade fairs—but never actually used, implemented, or included in a specific manual—have always been rejected at least for italy. Russia is another matter… do not know the KH38, i just know that a long discussion was held but I do not know the justification, if any, from devs. the guys form the forum suggested the pgm 500 and 2000 for the italian tornado, since showed in some fair, the result was that was implemented in the UK tornado that was used fro trials of the weapon. same sade outcome for the maverick for the german tornado, never implemented.
Anyway, I clicked on I have the same issue for the proposal and I hope it goes through, but we shouldn’t get our hopes up too much
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This technically isn’t AMX A-11A, but the AMX International prototype.
Side note, no clue why A-11A suggestion is still up and A-11B is “in-game”. If the in-game version really is A-11B, I would love to see its JDAMs and LITENING pod. We’ve told suggestion mods this is wrong multiple times, and it is still like this.
Might file some JDAM and LITENING bug reports and see if we can get that on AMX, as well as the other ACOL upgrades.
Pictures only work for major nations, minor nations need actual proof. (And even when actual proof is provided, it is denied or just ignored).
The only way we could get the weapons like that in the picture is if devs added AMX International prototype.
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The in-game aircraft is often mistaken for an ACOL, which is puzzling because the War Thunder wiki clearly identifies it as an A-11A. The ACOL upgrade is easy to recognize: it has a more rounded nose, a GPS antenna on the spine, and reinforced wings. The model in the game matches the A-11A’s nose, not the ACOL (or B-variant) design.
Regarding the CLDP pod: in 1999 the Italian Air Force’s flight-test unit integrated the pod on the AMX.
Although it was never used at the operational squadron level, it was successfully implemented and was already widely employed by the Tornado fleet.
When the ACOL conversion began in 2002, electronic upgrades made the CLDP incompatible, and the more modern Litening pod was planned—so there was no reason to purchase additional CLDPs for the AMX.
Laser-guided bombs were introduced in 1998, and that same year AMX aircraft participated in the Maple Flag exercise carrying them, with ground-based target designation.
A key cockpit detail confirms the version: the ACOL uses a digital clock, while the A-11A has an analog one—the same as in the game.
The only missing weapon is the IR-guided Opher bomb.
Armaments such as the Litening pod, JDAMs, and Lizard bombs belong to the ACOL.
The ACOL could be grouped with the A-11A in-game much like the Tornado IDS 1995 (RET.3) and RET.8 variants.
So, up to me the model in the game is correct and nothing have to be changed, while acol is a welcome future add.
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Apparently they are not, a report with a picture of an aircraft with a weapon mounted on a pilon, regardless if it’s from an airshow, is valid. That is why I made that report, but from what I know a plenty of reports for weapons like the maverick were already internally passed, but we probably aren’t going to get any of these weapons.
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Already rejected, in game we have the A, but for some reasons it’s just in the Italian translation and not in the english one
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There are also a plenty of other weapons currently not implemented
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/01qzERTYG9yo
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/S63mMBIKDCk6
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mqco8DYv05Yp
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OoJYrd8Hg9xx
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xfTrUN6sxbnw
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/79WMDIYakik4
Weapons like marte mk2, exocet, bl755 and other were also reported, but they possibility of having them in game is very low.
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There is also the GBU48, a pretty powerful bomb that no ever mention when speaking about the amx (and the litening 4).
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yes you are right, mine was just a brief summary not a full list
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we all know that unfortunately different rockets or gbu are often skipped by devs. The opher is something different and interesting but there are few info regarding how it works. you know we passed all the info available to smin more than an year ago.
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Well, now that Great Britain is getting not one but two Hawks at 10.7 and 11.0 respectively each with 4x AGM-65 Maverick, I believe it’s time to discuss the AMX Ghibli, it’s weaponry, and it’s BR.
The most glaring difference is that the AMX Ghibli is at 11.0 GRB and despite being in game for almost two years it’s most advanced A-2-G weapons remain laser guided bombs. These require you to fly overhead of the enemy in a restricted flight envelope and can only guide one bomb at a time. Bomb arrival time increases with altitude, so successful deployment of 4x LGBs at ideal altitude can take the AMX Ghibli several minutes of flying back and forth directly overhead of enemy anti-air.
In contrast the Hawk and other AGM-65 capable aircraft around this BR can scan, acquire and fire at 4 or more different targets in just a few seconds. The fire and forget capability allows the strike aircraft to evade incoming fire and immediately return to base for rearm, all the while the weapons guide themselves onto the target. AGM-65 can be deployed from several kilometers range, depending on weather conditions.
As such I believe the BR of AMX Ghibli is too high for it’s now obsolescent weaponry. It should either get some kind of fire and forget weaponry, or it’s BR should decrease. I prefer the former, as Italy has no aircraft with this capability until 12.0.
The most obvious and well-documented fire and forget weapon is the Opher, a Israeli IR-guided bomb. It was deployed operationally on AMX. It would be inferior to AGM-65 but it’s the most likely to be added.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/agRFhIX9iCD3
IMO the best solution for gameplay balance would be to give 4x AGM-65 Maverick, as these have been pictured on pre-production aircraft.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/oLqThT6fLvZw
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Completely agree. Also what about the AS-30L? It’s not FnF but it is listed in the brochures iirc and could be a nice option to add along with the Opher and Mavs.
Since HAWK is receiving the Sea Eagles, we could ask for the Kormorans for the AMX — they were tested on the prototype. I’ll post a photo tonight.
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A-11A can not get maverick, that was only the AMX international prototype
As for Opher it would be decent as it is IR guided, but the thing is it would completely take your ability to use LGBs.
The A-11A only used 2x Opher on the fueselage pylon which would remove ability for using CLDP to target. A-11A could also get Lizard-2 which would be the same as Paveway
The real plane we need is A-11B ACOL, which would have better targeting pod, JDAMs, and Lizard IV (essentially a Paveway IV)
Also as for right now, the plane is still great at it’s br and it’s usually 5 guaranteed kills if you use it will and use it’s advantages of being nimble
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Sure we should get the ACOL but also the prototype with Mavs. The more the merrier
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Prototype is what we need, I think we could get the ACOL to replace the Brazilian A-1A, and then we get the AMX international at a higher br.
Either way, AMX international would be great, it could carry practically every western guided weapon from the 80s and 90s
(Mb if I sounded like I was advocating against the Mavericks, I want all the planes we can get too)
But on the topic of Mavericks, a great option for low tier like 10.0 would be the MB-339CD, it could essentially be an Italian counterpart to A-10 and Su-25. Also the M-345 could be a good low tier option, it also has very interesting guided weapons.
Then at high tier to be the successor to the A-11 obviously we should get the M-346FA
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