Long story with T-80s and T-90s surviving direct ammo/carrousel hits with minor damage. My hands are sweaty when I see T-80BVM driving with it’s side open but it is what it is. Abrams in the other hands spall like there is spall generator inside or it got hit by 50mm core dart minimum. My last game T-80 survived 3 direct LFP shots with first only killed the driver, second damaged his autoloader and third was kill shot with ammo detonation xd
That’s why integrated spalliners are not gonna work even if they implement it, it would just generate even more spall
Is this a single event or these are four different moments? Anyways I think this is a misunderstanding:
The target had half of the autoloader with ammunition warheads, before cutting the autoloader you hit the fuel tank which most of the time is a ‘natural spall liner’ for every vehicle.
This event unfortunately, this fuel tank behaviour, realistically or purposely made is very frustrating. I’m honestly surprised that the target wasn’t destroyed by fuel tank explosion, such rather fun occurrence with late Soviet machines.
Honestly the spall liners on leopards no longer work anyway. The turret baskets create more spall then what the spall liner stops.
Once again autoloaders are the best spall liners.
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The problem isnt the fuel tank eating shrapnell… that is as you pointed out. What the fuel tanks are there for. The problem is that the autoloaders do not generate enough (sometimes any) spall. While on other machines even 10mm armor plates or turret baskets generate a shotgun like spread of spall that does allmost APHE levels of damage.
Regarding this issue I believe that they work just like most turret baskets, instead of the whole visual model being used as damage model, only two small segments are.
Absolutely definitely. Just look how easily i blew up it’s ammunition. /s
I’m sorry but no. Autoloaders definitely do not work like turret baskets… they do not create nowhere enough spall to be even comparable to turret baskets.
Edit: Also as my previous screenshot proves. Even hitting the small railing creates a crapload of spall. I refuse to believe the visual model is anywhere close to the actual damage model. Because if it was so. That small pipe wouldnt create 71kg of fragments.
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So why is the autoloader eating so much spall ? When turret baskets create so much ?
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Turret busket don’t create spall. It just don’t eat it because its effective thickness is too low.
Three messages up I literally posted a screenshot of the turret basket creating a crap load of spall despite the presence of a spall liners. You cannot look at my proof and just go “Nuh-uh” without some proof of your own.
Turret baskets working as indented( by gaijin) then. There is 0% chance that actual damage model is like this when shell pass turret basket it eats whole crew with such big cone of fragments like a grenade blowing up inside. Autoloaders in soviet designs are not even close in terms of creating spall.
New spall are generated along with a new cone. There is no new cone on youe screenshot. It’s all an original spall from the side penetration.
I would love to know what you wrote before getting flagged.
Also forgot to add that the Object 292 tend to be pretty more survivable than most Top Tier tanks against Light vehicles, its barrel is pretty much hard to disable or even turning it yellow, i’ve experienced it several times using my Namer.
Fresh case, imagine that i was like 1mm to hit ammo carrousel and my shot just went through this Object 292 withotu any significant damage ? XD
Turns out that Russians developed fuel tanks that do not cause any spall, the west still behind this new technology.
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Then u should look at t90m sometimes rounds will phase thought it without even disabling the autoloader
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The Leopards have the same issue, but it’s less noticeable due to their size and location.
There you go implying all NATO tanks are Russian again; though this time it’s because fuel tanks correctly don’t spall.
@Just_Baron
Fuel tanks not generating spall is not an issue, that’s realism.