I’ve noticed it countless times if you shoot a straight shot from the side it literally goes through it like butter and not spall at all and goes out like nothing.
As you can clearly see, there’s a big amount of ammo and it literally went through it like it’s not there, i might be mistaken but the fuel tank bug preventing further spall it mostly happen in Russia tanks.
usually spall doesn’t occur in analysis whenever you got a direct hit on ammo. Are you sure you didn’t when shooting at the crewmate?
There has long since been rumours that the 292 has invisible internal plates that block all spall. Given how tanky that dman thing is. I do rather beleive it
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It did not occur also during the battle, i watched the left screen when i shot my shot and nothing happened.
I’ve also said that several times but i find that Russian mains laughing because they benefit from this issue.
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damn sad I cannot access the view because for now im in a little town with no internet and thus only 20GB game, so I cannot test it myself to try and figure out…
I know that Russian tanks have textolite which from datamines generates no spall but it’s not present anywhere but in front armor package. Also funny thing is that textolite itself is 3.7 times more powerful in game than irl, and is only present in Russian tanks armour. Chinese use NERA but it must be equivalent to corundum I think
It literally happens in almost every Top Tier Russian tank, especially the ones that get Relikt as a side armor, the inside is a black hole that eats darts for dinner.
Relikt at 60-68deg angle is made to reduce penetration of uranium penetrators by 40% and hence there is no other data it goes well against tungsten too, so yeah you better don’t hit it when Soviet tank is angled. As if i misunderstood you and you mean flat side shots, yeah that’s a devs issue
You hit the fuel tank and fuel tanks don’t spall in War Thunder [nor should they].
Spalling is functioning just fine.
@Morvran
Those plates don’t exist.
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Is this 60-80 degrees?
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it, in fact, is. You can see these blocks aligned at 60-68 degrees inside the upgraded ERA kit. However normal ERA kit (e.g. stock T-90M) will offer less protection
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Protection Analysis does show spall damage when I toy with it, but I do agree that something is fishy with the 292.
I also find it strange how much spall is generated by the vehicle, knowing that residual penetration is what creates spall in this game. A Dart from this 152 going through the side of an 80mm plate should be doing a lot more.
I’ll relate this to the Merkava, as it seems most relevant to it, in my opinion. The Merkava tank appears to be the antithesis of this situation. While the 292 (and to an extent, Russian Vehicles in General) doesn’t spall much, the Merkava seems to spall like crazy.
Quite frankly, this needs fixing.
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The shot changed direction twice before hitting the ERA.
Not sure why that happened…
Clearly this doesn’t show how double standards are being used in this game, how are people so delusional.
If I had my way, I’d make APFSDS spall correctly. The noob friendly residual pen system is frustrating. 10mm plates should not be capable of generating a wall of spall as wide as the Merkava’s crew compartment.
This would also help alleviate the Abrams turret ring issue and many similar other situations.
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it must act like engine anti-spall liner but apparently it spalls even more lmfao this game is really silly
Sadly, all Merkava tanks suffer from this shotgun spall effect. While you would presume the engine and 10mm plate would act as an excellent spall liner, they do the opposite simply because of how Gaijin has decided to simplify APFSDS spall.
(10) Mythbusting APFSDS in War Thunder - YouTube
Zenturion did a video explaining this in detail, but essentially, Long Rod APFSDS generates spall through residual penetration rather than through the rod’s mass and plate thickness. This means that under some conditions, Long Rod APFSDS generates more spall than a plate can physically generate, such as in the images above.
It doesn’t take much to realize that a pinhole-sized penetration on a 10mm plate cannot physically peel off enough metal to do that much damage in that much of an area.
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Yep. The whole spall system needs a massive overhaul as far as I am concern. So much needs fixing and correcting.
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The interesting thing is that Short Rod APFSDS has a more realistic spall calculator. While not perfect, I don’t understand why Long Rod APFSDS ignores shell mass.