No SPAA has ever been OP in the history of War Thunder.
Pantsir was out-ranged by CAS since 2022, and even when Pantsir was fixed in October 2024, new weapons were added that still out-range it.
There is no ceiling of 5000 meters, you climb to 8000 meters where you’re safe from Pantsirs.
Contrails do nothing other than make SPAA get depressed they can’t hit you, the meta has always been out-range SPAA.
Helicopters only out-ranged SPAA for a couple months at most, though Ka-50 was added after ADATS.
Back then you didnt need to outrange them because the max radar elev angle any spaa had was 20°. nothing could rly outrange vt1 slingers if they played with a brain (sit next to building, if high elevation plane shoots into your direction and you dont wanna shoot his maverick just smoke, move or move behidn the building) you could just fly around above them and they would never find you. yeah cool now you can fly around at 10000m thats cool and all, but every enemy plane will instantly know where you are. it also takes you quite some time to get up there. Theres probably a reason for why ive never seen footage of any of the best top tier cas playing ccs using that technique? maybe youre more or less safe from spaa like this, but the guy that really wants to slap has killed 7 ppl and has already rearmed till you got up to alt and half your ordinance off
Search radar elevation didn’t matter cause you’d show up on radar instantly on spawn anyway and they’d track you.
All top SPAA have warningless tracking.
thats why u stayed at range and fast till they shoot at something else if you didnt make it up there before they spawned spaa. once they shot at the heli or whatever youre at 7k above their heads and they completely lost you and wouldnt ever find you again. now with the contrails you cant really do that anymore, unless as you say 10k m and rly fast. But before the contrails that wasnt nevessary and equally cancerous, that was my point. you could just circle the battlefield being completely invisible at 800kph even during hard turns. made for really fun gameplay just staring at the sky for ages while you whole team exploded around you.
Kinda similar to the time of the absolutely awesome and necessary introduction of strike drones that spawned right above the battlefield upon introduction, above every spaas radar envelope. that was a classic gaijinner if ive ever seen one.
I dont understand u want point and click gameplay with spaa?
Spaa shouldnt be so strong and skilless like pantsir against nato cas that can cost up to more then 900sp
Top tier spaas are good against non russia cas
Two decent flarak or ito can contest the skies with no issue against f15e,typhoon,f18 etc and dont forget that spaa cost 70 sp
Imo Before kh38 there wasent a problem with cas and im saying this as a tank main
Sure we need pantsir equivlants but if we get thos we should get kh38 equvlants too or cas will get shyt on by all the “pantsirs”
We also need an increase of rewards to spaa players
I’m waiting for the BR for the Su-30 and Su-34 to be increased to 13.0, but for now I’m just going through the marathon on the F-15C.
Just don’t play on top tier against USSR now.
Outranged only by russian cas (and hammers but thos are very slow and ez to intercept) all other cas are either max 10km lock like agm 65 or laser guided
I play some spaas too and flarak is great when its not against russian cas
Its not insted we need both i said in the same paragraph we need better spaa too
Simply not true only thing that can maybe outrange pantsirs is kh38 thats it
Pantsir player that playes correctly can clear the sky and only chance to kill it is to overhelm him with 2- planes at once
Hammers have the range but they would be intercepted with no issue
And when u say spyder its rly depends on the variant and how it would work
Its not and i allready send video about it in a diffrent thread
U are more then welcome to test it in the test drive
Yea skill issue when the pantsir just intercept all my maveriks at the same time while shooting at me
No u have a skill issue on spaa
Watch cc that have some experience in the game playing the pantsir 99% says its op and have ez time
U have way more missiles and i dont see rafales that are so sweat to lunch hammers and land again and again
Whats happend is he just makes mistake and enter the danger zone or waste alot of time while u shooting at someone else
You have more than enough to cover a sizeable area with them, so it’s a coin flip when it comes to survival even if you move.
Also, those aren’t even used as a primary killing source, they’re more of a decoy to spam the radar in order for 65D to go unnoticed and slap the AA in the forehead.
AAs can’t shoot down properly flown CAS, works for both the planes and helicopters.