Coming from someone whos played the pantsir and ADATS (on a buddies acc because I dont have either of them on my acc yet), the ADATS is 100% worse. You have to GUIDE THE MISSILE YOUR SELF, which means despite it having a 45G overload, its absolutely dog shit.
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It literally does:
The Su-27 flight model is currently entirely correct.
The thrust and mass are currently correct.
Rafale and Typhoon flight models have not been nerfed since introduced to live server.
Su-27 has over 1:1 TWR with full fuel.
Gps bombs arent op at all
those arent very OP, they are situational and require skill which you dont have
agree but there are big difference between impact of an AGM-65B vs a KH-38MT
65B has a range of 23km but only a lock range of 20km, the missiles is alot slower(1100km/h max speed) than the KH-38mt, twice slower than the 38mt, the 65b only burn for about 3-4 seconds and thats it, no more burn thrust and rely on pathway while the 38mt has a total of 10 seconds burn time(2 seconds full thrust burn and 8 seconds sustain burn), in order to be effective 65b has to get to a closer engagement range than the 38mt which mean it would require you to manuver a fuck ton and the missile isnt always a guarantee 1 kill either
unlike kh-38mt which has a launch range of 40km, same lock range of 20km BUT the missiles is 2.45 times faster than the 65b at its max speed the missile sustain burn is whats makes it deadly because it is extremely fast, the explosive equivalent is triple(152kg vs 51kg) which mean it can kill alot better
given that you dont play US alot i imagine you dont know what its like being on the other receiving end
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Russian top tier is extremely difficult to play and in absolutely no way is the russian cas overpowered
(I only got 4 kills with the BMP-2M btw.)
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I really can’t tell if you’re serious or not. You’re the first to ever say that the ADATS is on par if not better than the pantsir.
ADATS
Pros
- decent atgms against tanks
- auto cannon that’s good against tanks
- good mobility
- invisible missiles
Cons
- terrible situational awareness
- terrible search radar
- no tracking radar
- cannot intercept agms effectively
- invisible missiles (cannot see the missles yourself) making longer range shots extremely difficult
Pantisr
Pros
- Excellent situational awareness
- 12 missiles
- can track multiple targets at the same time (within it’s track radar scope)
- can intercept agms effectively
- has a tracking radar and IRST
- 4 auto cannons which is great against close range targets
Cons
- big and clunky
- slow
- practically useless against tanks
You are not going to be outrunning a kh-38 going mach jesus lmao. Of all the actual threats at top tier, you brought up GBUs? One of the most easiest systems to dodge and intercept?
It’s pretty difficult to say that when there’s thermals, and ordinances that can kill you without a direct hit.
You can’t say that when the only top tier aircraft you have that isn’t russia has 65 ground kills, 167 air kills and 312 deaths…
It doesn’t help the fact that you only have 71 ground kills in the best CAS aircraft in the game…
I highly recommend you play the ADATS or at the very least, play it on your friend’s account who does.
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No , no i don’t want any better CAS weapon when Map are shit , a lot of good SPAA are still needed yet no where in sight. A lot of minor nation goin through bunch of major upadte and barely have any new MBT or vehicle, the game have more than just major player and their bs along with some random isreal main crying on the daily about “Russian biased” this "Russian biased’ that.
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How what i said about brimstones is related??
U trying so hard to make me look bad it was funny at the start but now its just sad
Then explain to me what you meant by “Kh38 equivalent”, go on , explain why “Kh38 equivalent” would be different from “Brimstone getting it FnF”. Go on , I will wait, also reporting my message doesn’t hide what you have said.
I reported it cuz it was toxic
And for brimstones as i said to someone earlier the problem is the missile count cuz we all know 16 fnf would be op
Thats why ir brimstones fnf are off the table unless gaijin will limit it to just 6 ir brimstone but thats gonna make ef2k players hella mad cuz its unrealistic
Ofc every balance buff to nato cas should come only with or after pantsir eqivlants will added to most if not all nation
Hell no
Pantsir is allready capable dealing with nato cas with no issue(unless u have skill issue)6 ir brimstone not gonna be stronger then kh38
If u had more “pantsirs” its gonna be balanced at least way more then now when russia has op cas and op spaa
So give a jet with a AF that is way better than both the Su34/30 , the same armament that have FnF ability and just by adding more “Pantsir but different flag” would solve the issue ? You really think that would solve the issue of CAS being OP ? Not counting in SPAA on it own is an entire problem to discuss ? Not just it AA ability but it as a vehicle as a whole ? Still don’t see where the different between Kh38 equivalent and Brimstone getting it FnF btw , keep up the cherry pickin.
Brimstones are much slower and less powerful so make it on a strong platform will be balance like op kh38 on bad platform(su30 isnt bad but ok)
And yes more pantsirs will solve the cas problem its not hard to understand why u think more powerfull spaa wont solve this?
If good spaa can counter kh38 it wont have issue against brimstones
Tbh u are just hater now its not gonna matter what im gonna say why i even bother
There is no cherry picking here lol the oppsite is true i want all nation to be balanced and have good spaa and cas
Why? consider EFT always up against better SPAA that can intercept brimstone without problem i don’t see why IR brimstone should be limit to six
plus
SU-30 can get six kills die and spawn SU 34 to get another six kills without any issue because SP cost is not conflict with strike aircraft and fighter
France also able to do that too with Rafale and their Mirage 2000 that carry HAMMER, but they don’t have SPAA that can intercept KH-38 plus HAMMER is sub sonic so still lot time pantsir to react
we need better SPAA? yes, but we should get that sht before second KH-38 slinger even in the game now there are third and still don’t have sign of any better SPAA except stupid Rapier.
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Nah dude i must admit even 16 maveriks gonna be op let alone brimstones
I do agree that the fact we got a third kh38 slinger before getting normal spaa to deal with thos is pure bs bias
Before the pantsir Russia has to deal with Harrier GR7 and Tornado IDS which is well know to able to out range 2S6 but shortly after they got pantsir to counter them
But noone get better spaa to deal with not first not second but third KH-38 slinger hell we should have get IRIS-T launchers by now.
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Su30 is not bad , it is mid. It is worse than the Su27sm in term of AF.
It doesn’t , the CAS problem link with so many issue and SPAA is one of the biggest and SPAA themself also is a big problem on their own. In no world more SPAA would solve the shit , it only delay the issue before more get added.
No because all you yap is biased this biased that. Never been able to offer anything worth reading. All you see is yourself and nothing else. The Pantsir is strong sure but decent CAS player can still deal with the thing easily, I guess you are not a decent one then. Not to mention the average ground player are still subject to CAS because there nothing they can do about it , CAS system on it own is a flaw one , all you do is delay the problem till gaijin add more. Adding more SPAA would not fix the issue. Just because "Add more SPAA like A cause A can intercept B armament’ doesn’t work. Also my guy is literally asking for more KH38 but with different name and flag, it literally can’t even get worse than that, especially with the current state of ground. Not even talking about Tech Tree of minor nation and their vehicle.
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Yea but its kit makes up for it
So dont add stronger cas if there isnt spaa to counter it its so hard to understand?? like im rly trying here
As i said earlier i dont want anyone to be left behind nato or the east
U probably have skill issue with the pantsir cuz the pantsirs i face have no issue intercept stuff and u cant do nothing to them unless u have another plane to help and overhelm the pantsir
U are just a cas hater u need to understand cas is real and its part of the war and yes tanks cant do much about it
2 good spaa should be able to keep the sky clear with no issue
kit ? R-77-1 is nothing more than a sidegrade to the already existing AIM-120B
Trying by suggesting more of Kh38 , ok sure
Biggest cap for real
I don’t even touch my russian top tier line up ever since they added the T90M
No shit sherlock , I hate CAS/Heli , cause they are not balance. I don’t even use them even though I own some
Yeah sure , def true and not fake here
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