Search radar elevation didn’t matter cause you’d show up on radar instantly on spawn anyway and they’d track you.
All top SPAA have warningless tracking.
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thats why u stayed at range and fast till they shoot at something else if you didnt make it up there before they spawned spaa. once they shot at the heli or whatever youre at 7k above their heads and they completely lost you and wouldnt ever find you again. now with the contrails you cant really do that anymore, unless as you say 10k m and rly fast. But before the contrails that wasnt nevessary and equally cancerous, that was my point. you could just circle the battlefield being completely invisible at 800kph even during hard turns. made for really fun gameplay just staring at the sky for ages while you whole team exploded around you.
Kinda similar to the time of the absolutely awesome and necessary introduction of strike drones that spawned right above the battlefield upon introduction, above every spaas radar envelope. that was a classic gaijinner if ive ever seen one.
Those things happen for a reason, more often than not the player is the significant factor in all of that.
I dont understand u want point and click gameplay with spaa?
Spaa shouldnt be so strong and skilless like pantsir against nato cas that can cost up to more then 900sp
Top tier spaas are good against non russia cas
Two decent flarak or ito can contest the skies with no issue against f15e,typhoon,f18 etc and dont forget that spaa cost 70 sp
Imo Before kh38 there wasent a problem with cas and im saying this as a tank main
Sure we need pantsir equivlants but if we get thos we should get kh38 equvlants too or cas will get shyt on by all the “pantsirs”
We also need an increase of rewards to spaa players
I’m waiting for the BR for the Su-30 and Su-34 to be increased to 13.0, but for now I’m just going through the marathon on the F-15C.
Just don’t play on top tier against USSR now.
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Its not rly gonna help to top tier exept it would make them cost a bit more sp
12.0 will still suffer from them what we rly need its good spaa
No they aren’t and never were.
They can’t contest anything as they are being outranged, especially the flarak with only two ready missiles.
Saying this as a tank main with “vast” experience with AAs.
Bigger rewards won’t help until you give players AAs that actually aren’t getting outranged.
They simply are
Outranged only by russian cas (and hammers but thos are very slow and ez to intercept) all other cas are either max 10km lock like agm 65 or laser guided
I play some spaas too and flarak is great when its not against russian cas
Its not insted we need both i said in the same paragraph we need better spaa too
They are outranged by every IR CAS as they share the same seeker, which is why 65D can also lock from 12-13km.
You shooting down ordnance doesn’t really help you at killing CAS.
No it simply isn’t as it only has two missiles ready.
That is not true the seeker can berly lock from 10 km amd even if u right it doesnt have the eneregy to go kver 10 km
No but it saves u so the rafale can lunch how many hammers it want its not gonna kill u
Yea 2 strong missiles and u have all the time in the world to shoot the maveriks that needs like 30 sec flight time to reach u
CAS out-ranges Pantsir. Pantsir can’t frag a CAS player playing correctly let alone getting within range and dodging.
We do not need Pantsir equivalents, we need SPYDER equivalents.
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Simply not true only thing that can maybe outrange pantsirs is kh38 thats it
Pantsir player that playes correctly can clear the sky and only chance to kill it is to overhelm him with 2- planes at once
Hammers have the range but they would be intercepted with no issue
And when u say spyder its rly depends on the variant and how it would work
Like M247 irl is a failure, but in wt it is a god, but usa mains pretending that they never receive any cakes
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It’s the same seeker dude, how hard is that to understand ?
You will never win the war of attrition.
That’s some massive skill issue on the CAS part.
Its not and i allready send video about it in a diffrent thread
U are more then welcome to test it in the test drive
Yea skill issue when the pantsir just intercept all my maveriks at the same time while shooting at me
No u have a skill issue on spaa
Watch cc that have some experience in the game playing the pantsir 99% says its op and have ez time
U have way more missiles and i dont see rafales that are so sweat to lunch hammers and land again and again
Whats happend is he just makes mistake and enter the danger zone or waste alot of time while u shooting at someone else
You have other ordnance to use alongside Mavericks so AAs get overwhelmed by radar contacts and don’t know what to shoot at.
Yea gps or guided bombs that can be counterd by moving sure
And good player will just focus u insted of trying to intercept so either way pantsir come on top
You have more than enough to cover a sizeable area with them, so it’s a coin flip when it comes to survival even if you move.
Also, those aren’t even used as a primary killing source, they’re more of a decoy to spam the radar in order for 65D to go unnoticed and slap the AA in the forehead.
AAs can’t shoot down properly flown CAS, works for both the planes and helicopters.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Pantsir is the best SPAA in the game.
Being the best in the group of useless things doesn’t make you any less useless at your job.
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