As seen here for a clean aircraft with 85% throttle in game the AV-8A should be able to cruise at 40,100 feet and have a combat ceiling of 46,100 feet with 500 FPM climb remaining. Good luck even getting to 40 grand in a harrier.
With missiles and guns retained and with 3,100 lbs of fuel the AV-8A will climb at 16,700 FPM and in game should do that with 85% throttle.
Never said it wasn’t Alvis but it will barely do it the highest I’ve ever gotten the Gr.3 was around 42k and that was max achieved to the stall while also using 110% throttle.
With guns and missiles it should get to 43k with 85% throttle.
So how high can you get the AV-8A at 85% throttle with guns and 2 sidewinders retained on the plane?
According to your documentation it should be ~43,100 feet with AIM-9s and 1400kg of fuel, and ~40,800 feet with 2267kg of fuel with AIM-9s.
Both of which are doable in War Thunder currently.
Fair enough on the missile and guns altitude but what altitude can you reach clean.
The highest I got clean in the Gr.1 was 46,230 feet but it took 100% throttle and around 1200 kg of fuel.
When I took it back to 85% throttle the SEP was -400+ fpm. Based off this the ceiling is close enough.
They said they don’t care. They think the 595 knots at sea level was achieved with lift thrust or 20,000 odd lbs but it was actually done with 16,000 lbs. Naturally if you added 4k lbs more thrust it would go faster.
I have a list here of what they can actually do.
Another side note I even gave them a full technical report from the RAC it was accelerometer tests with SEP to determine sustained G and they just said we don’t think its possible to sustain x G. Despite having been provided with one of the direct sources used to make the E-M chart.
I’ve asked don’t think he will. The Harriers are missing a lot of SEP as well. With normal lift rating the Gr.3 can match and beat a MiG-21 MF at 25,000 feet and below up to .6 Mach using only its conventional (wing born) flight envelope. Don’t know if you’ve ever been in a dogfight against a MiG-21 in a Harrier but its basically a lamb/wolf situation. Despite it actually being reversed IRL. As a known value we know its STR is only 1 degree less at 250 knots but it has a massive power advantage and the thrust vector. At 500 knots is only 3 degrees a second less.
numbers represent performance 1-10, 1 being out matched 10 being much better.
when the number is 5 both aircraft are equal in performance.
When below 12,000 feet or so and .55 Mach the Harrier is at a 7-10 advantage over the MiG-21 IRL.
Is the Japanese AV-8S Late any different from the other Harriers? It’s probably a skill issue, but I just got thoroughly outmaneuvered by a guy on that Harrier in Sim while I was flying the Mirage F1.
All harrier 1 have the same flight models so yes. There isn’t much you can do against an f1 with the current FM even the SEP is lacking so maneuvering over the top into the vertical will even fail.
Should have 24,000 fpm SEP at sea level with just 85% throttle.
I was the one flying the Mirage, and the guy in the Harrier somehow always managed to get into a firing position first. We engaged head-on several times, and he was able to turn around faster.
Does the use of flaps and thrust vectoring not help the Harrier turn faster?
Likely VIFF + airbrake. Did the fight become very low and slow?
If the harrier can force you into a low and slow fight. Almost nothing will beat it, but you are left extremely vulnerable to anyone else coming in, so it’s only really good for 1v1 battles.
But the harriers are more than likely underperforming in sustained turn rate which should mean extreme tactics like that above wasn’t quite as necessary
