it shouldn’t be at 12.3 when planes which are better like the A-10C or the Su-25SM at 11.7
the only upside the harrier brings is some better speed, i don’t think it should warrant being 2 whole BR steps above them while it also brings much less worthwhile anti ground ordnance.
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True. Should be 11.7
Using Gaijin logic. F16 6x 9L =12.3. f16 6 x IRCCM = 12.7… 1 step increase
Id lower the BR of alot of jets around this BR. Kfirs and mirage 2ks are top of the list. People say decompression but the jets are not even where they should be to start with.
i think a better solution would be to stretch everything out further, to lower more would compress another sector of BR ranges
The fact its 0.3 lower than an F-16 or F-15 with significantly better loadouts is hilarious (almost as hilarious as the people who defend those BR placements.
I’d move it to 12.0 as it’s better than the A-10C or Su-25s, and I’d also bring the Tornados down to that BR as well.
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The Kfir at 12.0 for EG is never on the same level as tornado F3, Phantoms, mirage F1.
Stretching the game out doesnt help it when the jets at its current BR are all better
It was fine. Then the Su-30 premiums happened and then the F15s moved down, now it’s just a stupid BR.
I would move it to 12.0 along with the Tonka GR4/SLE. Though it is in need of some massive buffs too
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All it needs is the extra 2 9M missiles and it would be ok at 12.3, alongside the IR signature fix
Clearly a marketing lie
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The A-10C is vastly inferior to the Harrier GR7.
Su-25SM3 is also inferior to the Harrier GR7, though I forget if it’s every aspect, or just weapons and TWR.
This post is in the context of air RB.
So your post is wanting Su-25SM3 to be 11.3 or less, and A-10C to be 11.0 or less.
I doubt your post aligns with your actual beliefs.
The battle of the buses. Theres not enough between them to seperate.
There needs to be a line. Slow dodgy FMs that only have “good” missiles = max11.7. Look at whats at 12.3/ 12.0 even the mig23 at 11.7…are all better, faster, have more and/ or fox 1. 2 magics at 12.0 doesnt equate to bus FM at 12.3 with 4 missiles.
Any jet that can half compete from 11.7 - 12.3 where the harrier sits are all better no question. Its a 11.7 jet. Tonka the same.
Harrier GR7 is not slow, has a huge TWR, and it’s an amazing dogfighter, things which the A-10C is not.
Especially when AV-8B NA is 11.3 with vastly inferior weapons and is fine at that BR.
The issue I’ve stated in other topics is that most twin-engines are under-BR’d by 0.7, causing issues for single-engine’d fighters, which in turn causes issues for balanced vehicles elsewhere.
Yes. both A-10C and Su-25SM3 are worse than Harrier GR.7 as you know
Yes, he didn’t mention anti-ground ordnances, so probably.
No, I don’t think he claimed that A-10C or Su-25SM3 also needs to go down
11.7 could be too low but 12.0 would be fine
WHEN F-15A and F-16A WITH AIM-9M/MAGIC 2 STAYS 12.7, and there is no decompression in that bracket for years, F-16A(9L) staying 12.3 nearly a year.
I still remember those days when both F-14A IRIAF and Harrier GR.7 were 12.3BR,
Harrier GR.7 literally can do nothing but get lynched by F-4S fleet atm since the whole supersonic teammates got obliterated by Fakour 90, before Harrier GR.7 enters combat space.
Current state of GR.7 is differ, but Thanks to Su-30MK series premiums, things have not changed drastically.
sad Harrier T.10 noise because being neglected awfully
That is also a part of the problem, but in the current situation, where Gaijin are literally babysitting some of those Ameri-or-Russo-built jets for months, Harrier GR.7 staying 12.3 for YEARS is discrimination and anti-British.
Along with Tornado GR.4 and IDS SLE stuck in 12.3BR.
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Harrier is amazing at reversals, I wouldnt call it great at DF in general, needs braindead opponents really. The 11,3 harrier is great.
12.3 the opposite
F16a 12.3. f16 12.7 9L to 9M with 1 step. So whats the difference for harrier 11.3 9L Harrier 9M 11.7?
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Thats actually quite a good point.
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Full analysis I’ve posted 2 times in other topics:
F-16A - F-16 Pobit.
F-16A: 12.3.
F-16A AIM-9M only: 12.7 & 13.0 [dunno if there are still some that are 13.0, there was prior to last BR change].
F-16A ADF: 13.3.
F-16C: 13.7.
F-16I Sufa: 14.0.
F-16C Pobit: 14.3.
Harrier GR7 [best of the subsonics]: 12.3.
A-10C: 11.7.
Su-25BM: 11.0 [could be 11.3].
The curse of the twin engines:
Su-30SM/MKM, F-15C GE, F-18E, etc: 14.3. These should be 0.3 - 0.7 higher than F-16C B52.
F-15E/I, F-18s: 14.0.
J-15JM/C/BazM, Su-27SM, J-11B: 13.7.
Su-30MK2/MKK, J-11A: 13.3.
Su-27, F-2A, Su-33: 13.0.
F-15A/J/Baz: 12.7… their equals are 13.0 currently.
These aircraft are BRs that are at or below notably inferior single engine’d fighters.
And AIM-9Ms are notably superior to AIM-9Ls.
In the recent BR change, Belgium F-16A with AIM-9M on Tech Tree became 12.7BR and tied with F-16A OCU(Squadron)
Because of those, Harrier GR.7 and Tornado GR.4 should be considered to be down to 12.0.
EVERYONE KNOWS GAIJIN WILL NOT SOLVE THE COMPRESSION PROBLEM within time. You also saw them, right?
That doesnt explain why the harrier with 9L is 11.3 but 9M is 1.0 BR above while the f16 is 0.3 with same difference. F16 12.7 has added bonus of better radar with TWS.
What makes the harrier 1.0 above? There needs to be consistency… its not CM count as the NETZ mod has 3 x CMs with same BR as NETZ.
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can’t forget the german equivalent, IDS SLE
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Simple answer:
1- Gaijin hates Brits
2- Gaijin also hates Strike aircrafts and enjoys them being overrated.
Strike jet versions of the Mirage 2000s are also in bad shape, afaik, since the fighter counterparts, which can use Super 530s, remain at the same BR, but they are probably slightly better than GR.7 or Tonka. Since those are based on the M2000.
Oh, sorry mate. going to add those either.
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Then A-10C moves to 11.3, which causes AV8B NA to move to 11.0 which causes AV8S to move to 10.7 which causes A10A to move to 10.3 which causes Su-25 to move to 10.0. ;)
Your demand for 1 aircraft is in reality a demand for over half a dozen aircraft to move down.
@tokerstar
It literally explains it:
They are 12.7 because F-15A is 12.7 because Su-30MK2 is 13.3 because Su-30SM2 is 14.7.
And Su-25 is 10.3 currently because Harrier GR7 is 12.3. Either would be higher or lower if the other way higher or lower because there are many like aircraft between them.
It’s funny watching so many posts demand Su-25 be moved back to 10.0 though.