Apart from BR compression and garbage matchmaker balance, the harrier gr.7 isn’t bad for the BR at 12.3.
I don’t think it should go lower right now, and there are planes doing worse than it around that BR
True.
The harrier GR.7 would be too good for 11.7, since the A-10C is certainly not undertiered. And apply actual logic will mean that more things have to go down as well.
The F-15A and Harrier are entirely different aircraft, that’s why.
Gaijin is blind to aircraft that aren’t part of the same type.
It’s not a double standard because there’s no standard that deals with this issue to begin with, Gaijin is just blind to overarching impacts and hyper-focused on like-vehicles.
It’s why BMPT came in at a low BR, because Gaijin didn’t have a like-vehicle to compare it to and didn’t know overarching impacts.
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The mirage could be lowered too along with any other over BR’d strike aircraft- no fox 1 at 12.3 while the other 12.3 does is crazy work. Theres ground ratings so it should come down to A2A performance only. Alot lot of dusty jets that could be fun if they were not rated by bombing bases etc
I would make a thread about the Kurnass 2k but I don’t rlly have the time
That thing has to be in a miserable spot rn
I wont go near it lol- The Kfir at 12.0 is enough pain.
Gaijin need to play their game and realise alot of the old jets are dead and zero fun. Maybe the mirage 12.7 and kfir were good back in the day but now they are just food. Plenty of other examples exist all over.
Upgrade tweaks or lower BRs are desperately needed. Fix Mirage 2k radar for EG as its blind.
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if that is true, damn shame.
I think Harrier GR.7 could’ve been 12.3 if the BR bracket weren’t this FUBAR.
But in this new normal, which Netz and Kurnass 2000 share the same BR
Harrier GR.7 and Tonka with 9M cannot remain 12.3BR atm.
+1, one of the most straightfowardly writen sentence which I saw from you.
I agree about this part. Shame on them.
Just saying with no offence, especially when your talking style is usually being seen as Gaijin shill
Well… in a paper or dictionary, you could be right, but probably we both know that it definitely acts as a double standard in contexts.
Some planes are getting babysitted because Gaijin is hyper-focused on those
Other planes are getting neglected because Gaijin don’t give any focus on those…
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Gaijin’s biggest balancing flaw is their lack of knowledge on how to compare different vehicles’ capabilities to account for overarching impacts of balancing decisions.
This is ultimately the root cause of all BR compression.
No offense taken.
If we could get a number of people to make these comparisons in the next BR change topic, we could potentially convince Gaijin of this issue.
Harrier GR7 sharing BR with F-18A, Mig-21 Bison, etc.
F-16A, F-14A, F-15A, etc sharing BRs.
F-14B, Su-33, Shar2, etc sharing BRs.
F-16A ADF, Su-30Mk2, etc sharing BRs.
And so forth.
If we justify BR changes with those comparisons in every post we do, I think they just might see the pattern.
Players who make these posts always forget that Italy has a Harrier with a BR of 13.0… But “Hey! It’s not in my country so it’s fine” probably said by someone who cares about their favorite country, but not about the overall balance of the game… If it’s good for Italy to have a high BR, it’s also good for England (which also has a lower BR than Italy)… So learn to play
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Most Italian planes are over BR by +0.3… You are not the only ones hated so please avoid thinking that only England is the victim.
The Harrier Gr7 has no Radar and 4x Aim-9M
The AV-8B+ has a radar and 2x Aim-9M and 4x Aim-120.
They are in 2 entirely different environments at the moment. The AMRAAM give the AV-8B+ range, the GR7 is forced to always fight WVR as a subsonic vs supersonics.
Especially if you also then factor in the Sea Harrier FA2 which is weaker in nearly every single respect to the AV-8B+ also at 13.0. If any need to move down, its the FA2 and not the AV-8B+.
The AV-8B+ is imo, at the correct BR relatively speaking, just compression is quite tight for it and there are several that should be higher if compression allowed. Also the US has an identical airframe at the same BR
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NOT with AV-8B+
Italian AV-8B+ shares the same BR as the USMC AV-8B+
Of course, we aren’t the only ones who are victims.
Gaijin babysits those big three nations.
Ameri-Russo-Deutch.
While neglecting other 7.
Hu?
I reckon that nobody claimed that only we brits are the victim.
AFAIK, I also mentioned the French Mirage 2000D.
Anyway, since this topic is mainly about Harrier GR.7 in 12.3BR.
So, probably further discussion about AV-8B+ seems off topic.
Yes, that’s why I wrote that the British Harrier has a lower BR than the Italian one, so what exactly are you complaining about??? Did you really think I hadn’t noticed??? The British Harrier is fine where it is at its current BR
Only 0.3 BR lower than the F-15s?
Constantly dragged into full uptiers vs Su-30s
Its not, not anymore
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While sharing same BR with F-16A(9L) and F/A-18A, and just one step lower than those damn friggin F-15A and F-16A(9M)
It was decent before the era F-14A IRIAF stormed 12.3BR in the very first moment.
I still remember that era.
But in the current meta?? nah.
in this new goddamn normal which Su-30MK are staying 13.3 for months and F-15A became 12.7, Harrier GR.7 deserves slightly lower BR than now.
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you really misunderstand what is going on
britain and italy both have a harrier at 13.0 with a radar and capacity to launch amraams
where the british one is weaker in that aspect where you get less missiles but you do get bol pods
we are not speaking of the 13.0 harriers though, i am speaking of the 12.3 harrier which is overtiered in the game currently. it is due to many problems, the main problem being compression of the battleratings, but it is also good to point out that other vehicles with similar or better loadouts and very similar flight performance are much lower in the battlerating scale
sure, it is faster than the A-10 and the Su-25 but they are much more maneuverable than the harrier, unless of course you bleed all its speed with its vtol capacity for a single good reverse.
but if you have problems with the av-8B+ being at 13.0 make your own thread about that or talk about it in a dedicated thread about that. your argument was of no use here
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The problem you describe cannot be solved by lowering the BR of the British Harrier, but by increasing the BR of the enemy vehicles you mentioned. I suggest you post a request for an increase in the BR of the aircraft you mentioned
Which Gaijin is NEVER going to listen.
If Gaijin really was planning to increase the BR of those,
There wouldn’t be F-16A(9L) became 12.3BR in first place, while F-16A Netz(Python 3) remained 12.7BR and was the same BR with F-16A(9M) for months.
Theoretically, you are right, those should be solved by decompressing instead.
Meanwhile, Gaijin is not planning to do wide decompression at all, and solving the problem with compressing and babysitting those damn major nations’ famous planes.
So, even though major decompression is a better option in ideal conditions, I reckon lowering the BR of the British Harrier seems the only possible option.
BR buff, Domino effect… total compression…
I never knew that Gaijin glued our planes to the ground while only Ameri-russo dominoes are collapsing and getting buff.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
But in this new normal, which Gaijin made,
In the land of tons of wrong, jacks of all wrongness, land of the one-eyed…
I really am curious why we Brits still need to be acting gently in the current situation.
For what? To be a perfect target for getting neglected on purpose…?
So,
Thanks for the suggestion, but no.
The problem we describe has passed the point that can be solved by an ideal solution of increasing the BR of enemy vehicles we mentioned, and now can only be solved by makeshift solutions.
We all know this suggestion is To rob Peter to pay Paul, and make things worse in the long run.
But also, we are not going to be Peter any longer; we got robbed by Gaijin enough to pay Paul with our loss for them, so it is Paul’s turn to get robbed to pay Peter.
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britain has a FA2 sea harrier at the same BR. Objectively worse by all means bar radar. also irrelevant
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