Decided to start learning every planes strengths/weaknesses to be a better dogfigher. I hear it a lot that you just need to know your plane and the enemies plane, down to things like turn rate, top speed, dive speed, climb rate, etc… And while I have picked up a lot in the time I’ve been playing it’s just not enough anymore.
Obviously I can just use the in game stat cards and start studying it like some college course but that’s going to be pretty boring. I’m wondering if anyone ever wrote up a guide or made some kind of video series on the subject to make it less dull, and knows what planes are and aren’t worth going into to save time.
Also is there anyone that focuses or has good stuff on high/top tier dogfights (r73/aim9m and higher stuff), most of the stuff I’m watching is mostly props and doing some of that stuff will obviously get you killed with the new dynamics these missiles bring.
This guy has good tutorials about aircraft https://www.youtube.com/@DEFYN
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Ive been using his vids for energy fighting etc.
Looking more for something like a longform video or series about plane performance across a nation or all nations, rather than 30 minute video about a single one. I wish I had time or motivation to watch all his vids, but that would take months.
Something like say a vid about every US plane that is frequently played and like 5 or so minutes going over what each one does. Otherwise its going to be a slow process of in game studying each plane in the hanger and noting what I see often, not impossible, just wondering if there might be an easier way.
Also Im having trouble finding dogfighting guides for say how I would approach them differently in say an su27 vs f15 or f16 etc where missles have tvc offbore hmd shots etc.
Also i cant find a IAS climb chart for early jets like 6.7-10.0. Only found the one for props.
You’re not willing to invest some time in scrolling through the videos?
He has some where he explains each nations aircraft, their strengths and weaknesses. This one is from 2023 Sale Guide For Air In 2023 (SL + RP reccomendations)
Obviously missing some newer aircraft.
His singular ones on the rank 7: What Rank 7 Premium Is Right For You
BVR IS EASY, When You Have An F-15C MSIP II (short FOX-3 How To)
The SU-27SM Flanker Attempts To Keep Up With NATO
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For Dogfighting, you want to look for “Basic Fighter Maneuvers.” These describe individual actions and or reactions. Aerial Combat Maneuvering describes squadron activity, which can be useful to know but not very applicable in Warthunder.
These are some good BFM libraries:
Prop-oriented:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnyigzFtHeNr9zTkpxyD0ksFD3CwLa2UE
Jet-oriented:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5Qdmhmp3Y5-SDJjOzuUqV3m3mmuieTQ
This guy also has a BVR video but I lack experience to judge its quality
The second one is more modern oriented, but it goes into slightly more technical/physics detail which can help make things click. (I couldn’t understand how to win a two-circle fight using the first playlist. The second one made it click for me by essentially making me see an analogy to hohmann transfers of all things - but simplified is that managing lead and lag pursuit is important to get behind an enemy, pulling constant lead will make you repeatedly overshoot and yo-yo).
This is a real life presentation for mock dog-fighting:
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gqgqrT2a-8
As arcadified ARB is, it still follows realistic physics (albeit with more Gs and way more situational awareness and accuracy) and thus, BFM videos are genuinely helpful.
As for “across all nations” etc…
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9homYJ_1xzfV72C_GonI8FRgyhzGrFdo
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I’m just looking for something more codensed, it would take me 10x longer to watch all the defyn videos than just looking at planes in the hanger and taking notes, I have watched his begginer series though and enjoyed it. Looking for someone that kinda makes the note taking process more enjoyable/faster without all the fluff of it being a 30 minute video about a single plane.
For dogfighting I mean let say I end up merging with an f15 in a su27… what now? I feel like trying to manauever at all at mach+ speeds ill just be blacking out in a few seconds, even tapping into negative G’s, and its a completely different ball game that say a BF109 vs Spitfire, I just don’t even know how to approach those dogfights, and the other problem is they happen so rarely I just never get to practice or even know how to practice correctly.
Right now I just always extend away because I have no clue what to do, but these guys are somehow able to do a 180, and still catch me so obviously they are doing something right to not blackout, or lose too much energy turning around and get their radar/IR missles on me in short time so I need to figure something out, because trying to avoid the dogfight doesn’t work 80% of the time it seems.
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Thanks I was thinking about looking at DCS stuff and you made it easy, BFM series looks interesting I’ll probably watch that whole playlist.
For this at least, crew skills make a massive difference. I’m not sure if you got supersonics through premium or TT grind, but either case I found even with korean jets not having maxed G and stamina is a massive pain. Like, my F2H2’s crew was like 2.5 G and stamina, while my F84B/F86A5 is 5/5. In the F2H2 I black-out doing a simple split S to get on someone’s tail, while with the F86A5 I pull 10+ Gs without passing out once I got the G-suit modification. Now, 2.5 to 5.0 is the same difference as 5.0 to expert.
So, I’d personally make sure to have all 5 in G/stamina AND also have the plane experted. Defyn’s videos are all done at that skill level (no ace), so that might be why you’re blacking out far earlier than peers and him.
Another thing I noticed for Defyn’s videos watching korean jets is that he rarely moves the mouse in a single pull, instead he whips it back and forth like you’d be colouring in a shape if that makes any sense?
I can’t remember which vid I saw it very clearly, but this one on the sabre kind of shows what I mean at a smaller scale:
https://youtu.be/zsXBEvy2uSQ?si=-kq9hoNvgyYADq_p&t=554 (timestamped)
Ya, I have a few planes expert but its really expensive later on. I think his mouse thing, at least I was told to use keyboard keys to turn for more deflection, so W to turn and tap S to go into negative to stop the blackout