T41 is M82 with more propellant and the larger casing
That’s because it’s the only one without a stabilizer.
SU-122-54 6.7 > 7.0
Very good tank destroyer. Well armored and very good movilty vehicles armed with a poerfull 122 gun capable of firing APDS and HEATFS. This vehicles overperform over other 6.7 wiht a great margin.
Too good for 6.7.
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BTR 80A 7.3 > 7.7
Good combination of movility and firepower. Much better armed than luchs or wisel but with the same BR. This vehicles sould move to 7.7.
SU-100 6.0 > 6.3
Very potent tank destroyer well armored and very capable gun. Similar to Jagdpanther with no movility nerf like this. Too strong for 6.0.
Again, it doesn’t fire T41, otherwise it would be 6.3 material
Stuff like this is why this thread is hard to take serious. A very “Feels before reals” approach to game balance.
The 90mm M7 cannon that the T1E1 (90mm) has is statistically identical to the 90mm M3 cannon found on a wide variety of other tanks in the BR range. Same APHE round, same pen, same filler, same muzzle velocity, same reload. Any differences you percieve in it are entirely in your head. That is not a reason to increase it’s BR.
anti-Russian bias much?
Yeah, which one of these are supposed to be “Good?”
Funnily enough, German counterparts preform better, then I came upon the the T20 & E100 which were insane.
But take that with a grain of salt, it’s statshark. If it’s to be believed however, clearly the E100 needs to become an 8.3
- What?
- So the better mobility, armor, triple .50 cals and the like are all in my head? We are talking about a 90mm which is akin to a tank destroyer gun matching other 90mms found on tank destroyers… it has a very good reload as well, with a secondary cannon.
Ok so accoring to you KV-220 need move to 6.3 because his perform right??
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Why are you used the premiun variants instead of regular TT ??? , let me guess more low numbers and that can help you.
Ferdinand is 41% and Jagdpanther 43% meanwhile SU-100 is 48% and SU-122-54 is 47% so yes the are much better.
NO.
You literally said it “looks and behaves like a long 90mm”, when it doesn’t. It’s statistically identical to the 90mm M3. You’re basing a large part of your argument for why it should go up on how the gun “feels”, over how the gun actually is.
Compared to other 5.7 heavy tanks, you have a whole 2 hp/ton advantage (While losing out on top speed considerably), at the expense of any reliable armor. Outside of some volumetric spots on the turret (Which the Tiger H1 and IS-1 share), it’s effectively unarmored for the tier. The hull is just over 100mm effective, and cannot be angled due to the hull corners. Trying to compare them is laughable.
Also, saying it has “triple .50s” when two of them are stuck in a casemate mount with limited traverse is pretty laughable.
The 90mm with those shells is indeed found on tank destroyers, at 5.3. The 5.7 M36Bs all have access to HEATFS shells, which are a sizable increase in capability.
I also wouldn’t exactly call the base M36 a tank destroyer in the sense you mean, as the firepower it has isn’t all that special. At the same tier that the Germans get the long 88, and the Russians get the 122, you get the short 90mm. The reason the M36 is where it is is due to how flexible it is, being mobile and with a turret, meaning you can play it more aggressively than a traditional tank destroyer.
It would be like saying the KV-85 is clearly overpowered, as it shares a gun with an equal tiered TD (Su-85M).
Also, 37mm solid shot is basically not worth talking about. Especially since it doesn’t fight Hellcats all that often, which is one of the only tanks it can pen with said gun.
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Win rate doesn’t mean a vehicle is necessarily good you know?
Guess you skipped “take it with a grain of salt”.
Statshark takes player stats who have logged in typically.
Given I recently got the vehicle, I might actually be artificially inflating that stat, since I had a really good string of games, getting 6.0 matches, then I started to get 6.7 matches and the tank became useless.
I do find it funny the way you poorly compare things. As the Tiger ost/west is = to the KV-220 in pretty much all aspects, one is a lower br. They have their pros and cons.
That’s pretty poor English, which makes me not understand your comment. I can tell you’re frustrated. Why did I pick the ones I picked? Random. Just happened to scroll, and was saying to myself “hey that’s an tank destroyer to compare it to”
Going off of win rate for how “good a vehicle is” is complete nonsense that I expect from a level 75, instead of a veteran player lv100, and with 10k+ games.
According… to… just you.
Translation: when I use statshark in my argument it’s 100% accurate but when you do suddenly it’s an innaccurate third-party source.
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Show me you don’t know what you’re talking about without showing.
Being willfully negligent of the fact that:
- The T1E1 90 has a 23.1 mph reverse speed.
- Of the 5.7 heavies, it’s the second fastest.
- It has a lot of shot traps on its “weak armor”
- It has 32 more pen, with 2/3 the HE filler of the tiger’s Pz.gr.
- It has better angle performance over other heavies’ guns.
- It has a very short reload for how cramped the crew compartment is.
- It has more Hp/t than other heavies at its br.
- 15.3°/s turret traverse, and -10 gun depression.
- The 37mm with sap is good for light tanks, tracks, spaa, etc.
- 3 .50cals even if two are hull locked, is still 2 more which you can barrel or track people with.
It still has usable armor any way you slice it. Is it the best? No.
Compare it to the Kv-220 as a good example.
- All around 100mm armor, but with many weak spots, even when angeling.
- A 0.1 sec faster reload. (Odd given its two loaders for one gun…)
- 133 pen & 164g HE filler (slightly more than the 90, but nearly 60mm less pen.
- A max speed of 21.3 mph forward, and 3.8 mph reverse.
- Very bad ammo placement. Meaning any penetration will likely 1 tap you, or, since it’s Russian, BOOM, you died to a fuel explosion. 7 times out of 10.
- 12°/s turret traverse with -6 gun depression.
So please, continue to try and explain why:
The KV-220 is 6.0, and that’s balanced, but the T1E1(90) with having more capability is lower br.
Pangolin, I love you brother. Keep skipping over the details, and painting a picture that is just dishonest, like you always do, then you get proven wrong by literally everyone, like always.
It’s crazy, because I’m agreeable with people who know what they are talking about, and have experience with said vehicles.
But the lot of you who are very very “cult like” in your anti Russian beliefs are getting… out of hand…
But I highlighted where I said it in the previous post, just to prove you wrong again. :)
Damn, it is almost always just a thread of hate when i see this post blow up
They just don’t like reality.