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T1E1(90) 5.7 > 6.0
Being a weakly armored vehicle, people largely ignore, a LONG 90mm, an auxiliary 37mm, and 3 50cal machine guns. It has very good mobility, good penetration, a lot of crew and good APHE. Even for its bad armor, it has a lot of trolly spots, where shells can non pen. It is far too strong for 5.7 and consistently is used to bully enemies due to its pros.
it does not
it does not
If it had this it would be 6.0 on release lol
Since I’m going to ignore the other two, you are correct, my apologies it doesn’t have a stabilizer.
As for the 90mm, it certainly looks and behaves like a long 90mm, without the better shells.
Still, not really 5.7 material, given its superior mobility and gun that is better than its counter parts.
It also has a 7.5 sec max reload, versus an 88, 85, or 75 which all have 7.4 secs reload.
it definitely is not a long 90
and what do you mean by “better shells”, most of them are the same projectile but with higher velocity from the longer barrel
It doesn’t fire T41
T41 is M82 with more propellant and the larger casing
That’s because it’s the only one without a stabilizer.
SU-122-54 6.7 > 7.0
Very good tank destroyer. Well armored and very good movilty vehicles armed with a poerfull 122 gun capable of firing APDS and HEATFS. This vehicles overperform over other 6.7 wiht a great margin.
Too good for 6.7.
BTR 80A 7.3 > 7.7
Good combination of movility and firepower. Much better armed than luchs or wisel but with the same BR. This vehicles sould move to 7.7.
SU-100 6.0 > 6.3
Very potent tank destroyer well armored and very capable gun. Similar to Jagdpanther with no movility nerf like this. Too strong for 6.0.
Again, it doesn’t fire T41, otherwise it would be 6.3 material
Stuff like this is why this thread is hard to take serious. A very “Feels before reals” approach to game balance.
The 90mm M7 cannon that the T1E1 (90mm) has is statistically identical to the 90mm M3 cannon found on a wide variety of other tanks in the BR range. Same APHE round, same pen, same filler, same muzzle velocity, same reload. Any differences you percieve in it are entirely in your head. That is not a reason to increase it’s BR.
anti-Russian bias much?
Yeah, which one of these are supposed to be “Good?”
Funnily enough, German counterparts preform better, then I came upon the the T20 & E100 which were insane.
But take that with a grain of salt, it’s statshark. If it’s to be believed however, clearly the E100 needs to become an 8.3
Ok so accoring to you KV-220 need move to 6.3 because his perform right??
Why are you used the premiun variants instead of regular TT ??? , let me guess more low numbers and that can help you.
Ferdinand is 41% and Jagdpanther 43% meanwhile SU-100 is 48% and SU-122-54 is 47% so yes the are much better.
NO.
You literally said it “looks and behaves like a long 90mm”, when it doesn’t. It’s statistically identical to the 90mm M3. You’re basing a large part of your argument for why it should go up on how the gun “feels”, over how the gun actually is.
Compared to other 5.7 heavy tanks, you have a whole 2 hp/ton advantage (While losing out on top speed considerably), at the expense of any reliable armor. Outside of some volumetric spots on the turret (Which the Tiger H1 and IS-1 share), it’s effectively unarmored for the tier. The hull is just over 100mm effective, and cannot be angled due to the hull corners. Trying to compare them is laughable.
Also, saying it has “triple .50s” when two of them are stuck in a casemate mount with limited traverse is pretty laughable.
The 90mm with those shells is indeed found on tank destroyers, at 5.3. The 5.7 M36Bs all have access to HEATFS shells, which are a sizable increase in capability.
I also wouldn’t exactly call the base M36 a tank destroyer in the sense you mean, as the firepower it has isn’t all that special. At the same tier that the Germans get the long 88, and the Russians get the 122, you get the short 90mm. The reason the M36 is where it is is due to how flexible it is, being mobile and with a turret, meaning you can play it more aggressively than a traditional tank destroyer.
It would be like saying the KV-85 is clearly overpowered, as it shares a gun with an equal tiered TD (Su-85M).
Also, 37mm solid shot is basically not worth talking about. Especially since it doesn’t fight Hellcats all that often, which is one of the only tanks it can pen with said gun.
Win rate doesn’t mean a vehicle is necessarily good you know?
