85mm vs 88mm gun, biased comparison as it does not consider the fact that the KV-220’s turret is far more cramped. :)
Also you are completely ignoring the fact that the KV-220 is far tougher when it is angled compared to a Tiger 1.
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Player skill cannot be counted for raw vehicle performance that makes no sense.
I myself killed 6 10.3 tanks the other day in the 4.0 BT-7A, with the 76mm cannon with 84mm pen APHE.
So does that mean it should be 10.3? No. Why? I’m a pretty good player tbh.
I’m taking all these proposed changes with an average player in mind, with the raw stats of the vehicle.
That is not the point. The point is you are considering changing BRs based purely on “Is x better than y” instead of “What can x do that y can’t, and can y still counter x anyway?”
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No the KV-220 is not in fact tougher. Just shoot any part of the turret really. It’s 100mm all around sure, but 90mms and 88s seems to go through all angles.
Keep in mind the breech is very easy to pen to either: full kill the tank, or disable it from firing back. The gun has to rotate to you to be able to fire. Not rocket science.
And if you don’t want to shoot the gun, hit the commander hatch. It usually kills everyone in the turret or kills 2/3 of them.
If we are going with your kind of argument, why did the Kv-1 Zis, & KV-1E get moved up?
Kv-1E has armor, but lacks the gun to kill most 5.0-5.3 tanks.
KV-1 Zis is the same br as the Swed KV-1 1942. Despite having the far weaker turret.
Meanwhile both sit a mere 0.3 br loveee than the German Kv-1 that increased the protection & the fire power.
Perhaps you want to try angling the turret and exposing the right side of the turret instead of the left side? :)
Also, the KV-220 has 100mm armor all around, a feat the Tiger does not posses.
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I could show you a clip of my angled turret being pierced by a 90mm on the T1E1(90) if you’d like.
Simple, because the Russian KV-1s do not have to face each other. :)
Swedish KV-1 lineup is not as strong.
German KV-1 has a more predictable turret weakspot being the German cupola. :)
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Why did you expect to survive US 90mm when it is the same gun used by tank destroyers at the same BR :D?
Russian one faces powerful German / Italian / UsA cannons often so its armor is negated.
Swedish one is good regardless.
German one isn’t weak…? I’ve shot that with long 76mm and 85mms and gotten consistent bounces.
Hell in a 1v1 of a M4a3E2 vs the German Kv-1, it’s more than likely the 5.0 German heavy tank will win.
Because of my heavy angling. It was a 73° hit on the turret cheek.
Cause they were hilariously OP at 4.0. Very good armour on an alright platform, with a weak but still decent cannon definitely puts it at 4.3.
It is best to compare vehicles to the stuff at their BR, and immediately surrounding that BR. Everything is weak in an uptier, but that shouldn’t justify undertiering tanks.
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The problem is you keep focusing on what vehicles cannot do instead of acknowledging what they can do.
Russian KV-1’s vs 75 shermans, Chi-nu’s, etc.
M4A3E2 has a stabilizer and much faster reload, while the German KV-1 has the short 75mm that the Panzer 4’s use which cannot even pen the M4A3E2 frontally? :D
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volumetric hell of a weakspot, only ever got killed there by HE nukes
KV-1C has the long 75, KV-1B has the soviet 76
both can pen the mg port
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volumetric is a random factor, it exists but does not nullify weakspots. :)
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The KV-1s really didn’t need a br increase. The thing that made them good was rushed shots, and newer players. Especially given the KV1E faces high power German cannons and UsA cannons earlier one.
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that’s how I have been comparing them! Go re-read the list from when I first started. Maybe your opinion will change from you first comment.
No I am not.
That’s what I meant, the 75mm with APCBC that the Panzer 4 H uses. Long 75 would confuse it with the Panther’s
I’d love to see you explain how the 90mm cannon with 65 pen at 60° killed my tank with a 70°> angle.
You in fact, are.
You kept listing down anecdotal experiences rather than acknowledging that a tank will never truly be perfect in all parameters. :)
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You just quoted me as saying “the German one isn’t weak” which implies it can punch above its class.
Therefore, you are wrong.
Also, I’m still waiting for your response on how the T1E1 magically can pen there on the KV-220