I never said it wasn’t able to be penetrated. Don’t put words in my mouth.
You and @An_Pigeon are now being disingenuous, ah yes that lovely word you like to use.
So not that good of an armor right? Esepcially as it is an AP round and at that B.R. range there is more APDS, APFSDS and HEAT with more pen
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Would you rather 40°/ a sec turret traverse
Or a stabilizer and 10°/ a sec turret traverse?
Always full stab
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And I will always beat you then.
Unless you literally see me first, I know how to slow the tank and not bounce the gun, as surely you, the more experienced player as you like to claim, should know.
Therefore your argument is based on a matter of opinion, not even logical processes.
When we both see each other at the same time, full stab will always win no matter what.
If You can’t comprehend that then sorry but that is just lack of understanding of the game.
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Depends on how you set that up. Only in a purely frontal aspect would you even have a chance.
Side aspects, forget it, my turret traverse would out pace yours.
T-54 downtiers are useless, they’re still going to suffer from HEAT-FS shells but are going to be a bitch to deal in 6.3.
Gepard to 9.0? While ZA-35 to 8.7? Okay, let’s say that you move Gepard to 9.0, then why not move EVERY SINGLE OTHER radar AA to 9.0? And even if you will do that then what is going to be an AA for 8.3 german lineup? Wiesel? Don’t make me laugh.
PBV501 uptier is utter bs, yes it is a BMP-1 without ATGM but HEAT consistency is non-existent and it can be easily killed by ANYTHING.
IPSV is the same issue as Gepard, implement a replacement or give HE-VT to VEAK40 back, as it is utter garbage without it.
Conquerror - Shell shattered
IS-6… How the HELL are 6.3s supposed to deal with THAT monster?
KV-1E to 4.0? Guys, it’s op as heck already, move it to 4.7 instead
RakJPZ HOT is comparable to IT-1 yes… But it has literally NO ARMOUR while IT-1 can withstand a bit to much beating.
IS-3 to 7.0 while Tiger 2 also t 7.0… I have nothing to say here, peak balance gaijin
Begleit to 10.0 - No questions, no objections, just give it APFSDS as it had IRL
And for the last… THE PINNACLE OF GAIJIN BALANCING TEAM! THE T58
Moving it to 9.0 would OFFICIALLY KILL IT ENTIRELY. Yes HEAT is strong, but at 9.0 the sheer amount of composites and APFSDS combined with stabilizers will turn this tank into PURE SPH gaming. You can’t peek, you can’t move, your stabilization is ass. You guys literally mad an impossible to balance tank. Maus 2.0 but premium. You put it lower it’s OP, you put it higher - it’s utter garbage. Congrats! Perhaps you could leave it where it is AND FIX YOUR BROKEN AS HECK VOLUMETRIC ARMOUR MECHANIC!
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How am I being disingenuous?
You understand the words meaning no?
Have you noticed he called me disingenious when they never actually responded to my last properly written response.
With the list of cons, he purposefully left out.
When I’ve not acted at all like I know less on the topic that I know more about.
Dude is parroting whatever folks say to try sound smart.
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T58 would be fine at 8.7, there are unstablised tanks which have cons and positives around that.
Amx30b2 for example…dart, lrf and thermals make up for the stab.
2.6 second reload and mediocre armour would bring the t58 in line.
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It is honestly fine where it is, it’s just that the sheer amount of volumetric bullshit surrounding it is insane. HEAT with 400mm of pen can nonpen side just because, same goes with… Literally any shell.
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Oh how ironic
Thanks for calling me a Parrot, even though I am using the words you can’t ascertain the usage of, In which I have used in the correct context.
Tbf the Type 87 RCV is 9.0 with no stab, thermals/any night vision, no rangefinder, no LWS and only 92mm pen APFSDS from a 25mm. Just gotta play a specific way and any vehicle can do well at any BR. T58 wouldn’t change much if i had to guess.
It’s not being disingenuous at all, I’m not acting like I don’t know about the situation.
The fact is the reply you have linked from you to me.
I have in fact responded to and you again ignoring my multiple statements about composites.
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How ineffective heat is against ERA arrays and said composites.
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How it’s still an M103 hull and even with volumetric lacks sufficient protection against all darts found between 9.0 and 10.0
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You stated it doesn’t need a LRF as it has a range finder.
However this is still a negative aka a con, a LRF finds the range, sets the gun and allows firing all within a matter of a secone.
The rangefinder while faster than not having one is inherently still worse. An example of this would be chieftain mk5, if it gets a LRF it will move to 9.0 irregardless of its mobility, armour or ammunition.
- it doesn’t have good turret armour for 9.0 at all, the T62M1 does, the chieftain Mk10 does.
Both of which are more mobile.
Have a LRF and can fire a dart clean through a T58.
You again have not used it correctly. Being disingenuous : not candid or sincere, typically by pretending one knows less about something than one really does.
As per oxfords definitions.
You deliberately ignoring replies and specific chunks of information to make your point seem to hold more relevance or merit is disingenuous as you are downplaying massively the importance of the listed negatives the tank has in comparison with 9.0s.
You are purposefully acting as if you do not know how important those upgrades are to further your own point.
You also ignored my response further up.
Good catch on the ZA-35 I meant to make that 9.0 as well, I had forgotten. The belts they get, combined with mobility make them too good against the ground vehicles they face.
PBV501 is a very unbalanced tank, generally I never used the bmp-1’s ATGM, a whole 1.3 br difference makes little sense.
Veak 40 doesn’t need HEVT, many nations don’t get it, and will not get it, therefore it’s a bit unbalanced, unless you bump that in Br.
Conquerer is quite good tbh.
IS-6 you’ll kill it in numbers, skillful play, or reload.
6.3s would struggle as they should against a a heavy. It’s a full uptier for them.
RakJPz Hot may not be a 1:1 but is close enough.
IS-3 is a very poor tank, its true and only good element is its armor.
Things like the T29 currently exist at 7.0, which has less armor yes, but a more powerful cannon.
KV-1E is kinda bad at 4.3, it like the IS-3 relies too much on armor, many many 3.0s, 3.3s etc can frontally kill it with ease.
Its gun is also very lacking, often unable to kill 4.7, 5.0s. Its breech is very very easy to disable, and on penetrating hits you more often than not kill 60% of the crew or the whole tank.
Beglit I’m pretty sure doesn’t have APFSDS. If it did it would be equal to the 2s38 in br.
TL;DR
They won’t nerf the reload, therefore it will still be OP at 8.7
No one said it needed nerfed
The lack of stabilisation, LRF, thermals, effective armour being composites or era, and lack of mobility hold it back down at 8.7
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If it was at 8.7 then I would not pick it as there are much better vehicles to suit the role of it
The issue is that we don’t have enough B.R. range to properly balance vehicles.
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