Right? I agree, how do people not think it shouldn’t be 9.0
2.6s reload, amazing shell selection, tanky armour (and it’s BS volumetric), stupidly gold turret traverse for a heavy.
Yeah it’s easily 8.7/9.0 material
A vehicle I have bought?
At one point have I stated I have bought a T58.
You have insulted more than once, for no other reason than disagreeing with your subjective opinion.
It’s not about being mean, it’s about having a small amount of respect for fellow forum users, which apparently is something which alludes you.
You haven’t reiterated facts either.
As has been stated to you, multiple times, by a plethora of people as to why the T58 can’t survive at 9.0
Like my arguments?
Also you’re on the fence because of what reason? Because I challanged your unnecessary insulting of me ?
It quite literally is an insult in the context you have you used it in to try and undermine my points as well as paint me out to be less knowledgeable or less intelligent for not agreeing with you.
It’s an insult
That is not debatable, stop trying to cover up your own insults.
Unless you never meant it as an insult which means you’ve used the word incorrectly.
Not really:
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I’ve said repeatedly it should be 8.7
9.0 is just too high for it.
I think I’m done here, he’s not going to actually address what has been said, he shall instead just repeat the same statements he has for the past 2 days.
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I’m not arguing over whether an insult applies to facts or not.
Naive can quite literally mean “without experience” but take it as you will. The world is yours old chum.
It’s really odd if you’ve come to defend the T58, yet do not own it.
T58
Pros:
Rangefinder
- 2.6 sec reload, unparalleled by anything else
- 6 round first stage ammo/ with quick loading if you keep one shell loaded.
- Very good armor, often being rather trolly for most 8.3s and a lot of 8.7s.
- 36°/s turret traverse
- HEAT with 400mm pen and 3.73 KG HE
- HESH with 200mm pen and 16.57~ KG HE
- Roof mounted AA gun
- Quick acceleration to its top speed
- Very special inside, often needing 3+ penetrating hits to be destroyed.
Cons:
- slow reverse
- no stabilizer
Are these your stats for the Master of the game? What happened to being able to hop into any tank and or vehicle and get so many kills and a win?
It is from StatShark, You can see 234109 games played and how on average people do in it.
It is not that good, or we are going to argue that things like:
Are far better
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You would argue that black was white mate.
You’ve used a word in a way to disparage me and insult me, it’s in writing further up.
You’ve insulted my teaching capabilty without knowing me.
Whilst simultaneously proving you have a lower understanding of the language with repeated grammatical errors.
This is disingenious and you know it.
You’re acting as if you don’t know the list of other cons we have given
- no form of solid shot AP , apds, or APFSDS.
- M103 hull is weak even for 7.7 and lacks massively at 9.0
- no composites
- no thermals
- no laser rangefinder
- turrer armour is negligible at 9.0 due to seeing darts with more pen than it has armour.
All of those cons prevent it sitting at 9.0
Like the majority have stated , 8.7 is would suit it well.
His list of “cons” shows he will purposefully ignore provided information to support his claim.
The tank is good, it could be 8.7 happily and that would be it.
The absolute desire to make it 9.0 is beyond me.
If someone belives that vehicle with no stab, no good solid shot, no laser rangefinder and on top of that no thermals, no good mobility should be 9.0 then he is delusional
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Oh yeah, that vehicle is quite good too, entirely forgot about it.
What makes that good though is preying on quite literally new players. T58 is a bit of a different story, but I can add that to the list
Nor composites which are starting to become common place, as well as spaced armour which essentially negates most chemical rounds.
Things like fences that trigger HESH.HEAT
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I’m painfully aware 😭stock grinding rank 7 has been a headache for years now.
However, he’s flat out ignoring more advanced armour systems that exist in the game, even just at 9.3 most tanks either have ERA systems which combat the ammunition the T58 has, or composites which will. Possibly both.
Thats not including mobility, lrf. Stab, thermals, any form of solid ap or dart.
Etc etc
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It doesn’t need AP, APDS, or APFSDS. It never had it, and it quite effective with its HEAT, often over pressuring, killing, or severely disabling a tank.
Again, there are 9.0 tanks without thermals, nor did this one have any.
- it has a range finder, it doesn’t need to be a laser rangefinder, so not a con. A lot of tanks 8.3, 8.7, and some at 9.0 don’t have any sort of range finder.
- turret armor is still rather good at 9.0
Only way it could stay 8.7, would be with a reload nerf, which I don’t agree with, and others don’t agree with because it would historically inaccurate.
It’s called a matter of opinion, I also forgot to add the oscillated turret, which can act often like a semi stable platform.
You’re still on the tangent you brought up yourself? I personally don’t care what I type, and if it’s grammatically correct, but you brought up being a professor after I had asked for clarification on what you were saying instead of assuming.
Good thing it has a .30 cal and .50 cal machine guns.
And a 2.6 sec reload
Not to mention that T58 “good armor” ends when a player with a brain enters, or just a vehicle with HEAT, ATGM, APDS or APFSDS.
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HEAT and APFSDS are truly its biggest weaknesses like any tank.