FINALLY an agreement.
The br should reflect the vehicles not the other way around.
How i feel shootin at the m51 😂
This has gyat to be the goofiest take you have made. M-51 isn’t even impressive at 6.0
Bear in mind, everything can 1-tap the M-51 by simply clicking on it
The M-51 actually has to aim to kill enemies
Apart from Object279, which has mobility, firepower, reload rate, that many of those earlier heavies lack. I enjoy the T32E1 as well, but you wouldn’t see me using it in an uptier, I’d take the T114 out instead as it’s more uptier friendly. I don’t see it as a large issue since these tanks are typically at an advantage at their own BR and in downtiers. T26E5 is particularly a good example of this. But yeah, it can make them difficult to balance. I think it’s a valid trade-off if the heavy can eat good at its own BR while being quite redundant in an uptier, that’s why we should be bringing line-ups. Situational tanks are situational. Though, I digress that this is sometimes easier said than done with some like the M103, which has many of its more uptier friendly vehicles sitting at 8.0/8.3. But Maus/IS-3 and others have some support.
Anyhow, here is a screenshot of me in a T32E1 after surviving a direct hit from a Sturmtiger:
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Because the Object 906 is better and at the same BR, it just shows the Char shouldn’t have moved up Gaijin literally said it’s because French players were doing too well in it.
The 906’s reload is only .3 seconds longer it’s pretty much irrelevant except in a 1v1 with the Char. And the HEATFS, full reverse gear, and stabilizer mean a lot more than smaller profile and armor
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I’ve been saying this the whole time lol
I don’t have the obj. 279, but I have fought against it decently, and I don’t see how people have a hard time killing it at 9.0 tbh. Maybe some 8.0s / 8.3s may struggle
Not being hit at all is better than being hit no?
Also I’m not saying obj. 906 and char should be the same br.
(Also I never use HEAT-FS in the 906, I find it unreliable and unable to do decent damage, so I’m an APHE warrior).
But they both have strengths and weakness to play to.
Unless you want to play naval in ground. Then the obj.906 wins out right
The 279 at 9.0 is fairly balanced considering how busted it was at 8.7, and before 8.3.
People have issue cause the things a flying suacer of a shape thats about it.
Tou only use aphe on the 906 saying heatFS isnt good enough but then say teh aphe on the 122 isnt good enough for 7.7.
Char 25t has 202 pen max ar 8.0.its hr is stupid af tbh
I say the APHE is good on the obj. 906 due to its speed. Being able go 46 mph at top speed is a very good advantage when mainly using APHE. I do carry 2 HEAT rounds but rarely ever use them.
Like I said, I don’t see why the char is 8.0, make it 7.7 but give it a 4.5 sec reload instead of 4.0, then everyone wins.
Why would you make it ahistorically longer?
It should be 7.7 in it’s current state.
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Oh my god, I can’t believe it
This list actually became semi-agreeable, though I must still Heckle(r and Koch) over the BR ranges. I think there would be a lot more sense made with this list if you added a BR (13.0). It’s a simple decompressive maneuver and would either be absolutely horrific and would break the game balance for years to come due to poor decisions alongside forgetting to stretch certain vehicles or the game would benefit because there’s no longer 5 different Leopard 2s at the same exact BR despite being different armor-wise. Realistically, the primary areas of the stretch would be in the 6.0-6.7 range, 7.7-8.7 range, and possibly the 5.0-6.0 ranges. Also, harder to implement but would solve so many issues: Dynamic BR
Simply, Dynamic BR would essentially be based off of the modifications of a tank, such as the early Leclercs would be at a lower BR but upon researching the better rounds it would be raised 0.3-0.7. We already see dynamic stats of the sort with turret traverse, reloading rate, etc. Simply, on the card for the vehicle it would say "Stridsvagn 121B - 10.3 (10.7 [Spade symbol]). This is not a direct example as I don’t really think the Swedish 2A4s need it, especially seeing as the 121B is the Christian, which comes spaded.
It’s not about how hard it is to kill. It’s still highly survivable. No heavy tank in this game is immune to enemy fire. It’s the combination of good survivability, good reload, good gun, good mobility, it’s a power house. The reason why I say it doesn’t suffer in uptiers is because of the combination of factors and the gameplay those allow, as it plays more like an aggressive MBT than it does a traditional heavy tank. You just have to accept that you don’t know how good it is because you’ve never used it. There is a reason why Object279 players keep using it year after year, and it’s a go-to vehicle during events
TLDR: I’m not saying it should go up in BR, but it does fine when it does get up-BR’d, more than any other heavy tank.
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Genuinely man it still is pretty useless at 7.7 bar for extreme circumstances.
Like you can barely scratch 7.7 heavies with it.
Never mind 9.0 tanks.
I dont bother with aphe once i can get rid of it i do.
Id rather a nice heat or apds round over it.
Seeing as the 100mm heat is quite nice to use its what i use.
But i didnt use the 906 much still got that and the bmp1 to go back and spade
However.
The char 25t does not need its relaod nerfed at all.
What it needs is as we said, gaijin to balance not on player stats as its a bs metric.
(Which btw they dont always use, the moved the mk24 spitfire down in anticipation of the mig15 and saber moving to 8.0)
Another historically stupid br change by gaijin.
But thats for another time
Edit also while on the topic of the 906 it really should be 8.3
I just hope they’d give DM53 to leopard 2PL, which at first they planned on doing that in last br change but didnt, yet abrams got better round. As for Leopard 2A5 going to 11.7 I’d love that aswell as it would really fit into line up with Leopard 2PL, Leopard 2A4M and flarakrad.
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Genuinely if they Leo2PL gets the Dm53 it should be 12.0 !
Those same 11.7 Abrams are identical to the 12.0 Sep! they have the same reload, round, armour and mobility.
I will die on this hill that the M1A2 sits at 11.7 along with the HC and Click - bait, cause if they move the A2 up to 12.0 then the other two have to go with it. and that would mean a literal top tier premium.
Also the if the 2A5 goes down the 2a6 may go with it due to the fact its identical bar it has marginally more penetration.
nah bro… we just need maximum ±0.3 br jumps
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If not 0.3 then atleast 0.7
Because a tank that can kill all 6.7s with mass ease is a little broken no?
Is it ahistorical ? Do you have documents to support that?
Because, as I’ve prompted before, and you argued against, the T-80U reload is in correct, being 6.5 secs when it should be 6.0 secs
So that’s ahistorical. But I think the T-80s are at a good br, they just need to get their correct reloads.