Thanks for the story.
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America is disgusting OP at mid tier and stomps hard. That the A2D is 7.0 is also criminal undertiered in ground RB.
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Yeah that plane should be 7.3 but this list is for ground vehicles, eventually I may do air.
Cause it was a BS calculation that would have killed the round on its arse.
Theyre still looking at doing it by the way.
The fox is worse than the zm800T overall capability wise, it only has the apds going for it.
Things loud af.
Its fine ar 7.7 as far as I’ve seen it, personally dont use it as well.
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The conquoror is slow, massive and has a tempromental round that really isnt that good.
Its turret is easily penned by any hollow charge or apds round for breach shots.
The LFP is literally a one tap to anytning even 6.0 tanks can kill it.
All with a slow as hell reload, 15 seconds aced i think it is, thst tank sits at 7.7 alongside all the other heavies like is4m, m103 maus etc.
Theres no justification to move the conquoror to 8.0 and leave all them at 7.7
Also as a caveat your performance isnt an indicatoon of how a tanks br should be balanced.
Ive had more nukes with the type 74s than any other tanks, doesnt mean they are worthy of a higher br…
Same as leopard 2a4
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It’s got double the pen of the xm800 pretty much, the xm only has a stabilizer, so it’s low skill ceiling. The fox is medium skill ceiling. If anyone with a good brain can drive the fox, it’s a real easy time.
Also, the other reason the auto cannons need to be recalibrated in penetration is because there is such a massive gap between the 2a72 and the rarden, which was discussed in length previously.
The conclusion was:
If Rarden is penetrating 110 mm at 0 distance
The 2a72 is far more likely to be between 92-96 mm penetration at 0 distance.
They are extremely similar rounds. The Rarden is actually shorter cased than the 2a72, and the Rarden is a slightly heavier projectile
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Depends on how easy it is to get a nuke, as getting a nuke means you win the game.
Conquerer’s round isn’t as bad as you say. I had no problem killing 8.7s with it or 6.7s
The full stabilizer was super nice to get shots I wouldn’t be able to in a Soviet heavy.
Speaking of Soviet heavies, my buddy is grinding 7.3-7.7 USSR, so we played the 7.7s, I was getting genuinely pissed off at how I was unable to do pretty much anything. Every match we played was 8.7 and APHE can’t really touch things such as a Strv103A.
So I ended up playing the ultimate bully nation, France. Got a nuke in the first or second game, but not enough time to drop it sadly.
You say that, but realistically the XM800T is faster on more terrains, has better turret traverse, elevation speeds, faster reverse speeds, is quieter, marginally bigger, and a far more effective all round cannon…
The Fox is a 4 wheeled, unstabilised, slower turret traverse by a good 20 odd per second aced and its gun traverse is nearly 50 persecond slower as well.
Its massively louder. Its fire rate is abysmal.
Its literally only saving grace is the rarden APDS if it lost that or that gets nerfed its BR has to go down to reflect that.
Im not saying its a bad round, im saying its not as effective as youre saying it is.
Its spalling isnt great, it bounces off substantially more targets and angles than it realistically should.
And I have no problem killing 10.3s with an 8.7 chieftain, does not make the round good nor mean the tank should move up in BR.
Yes it as literally every single british MBT/heavy since the first centurion are stabilised.
However as ive said it is slow, loud and armour is miles behind that of the soviet or other heavies. bar in very select spots-
The 122 APHE of the soviets can very much one tap them Aim for the roof. Its what I did with my T10A and IS6 for years APHE is extremely effective from the 122s. Sure not ideal compared to say a HEATFS hollow charge but still good rounds, just need to try snipe more with it.
(also T10A is stabilised and 7.7 for USSR with more effective armour and faster than the Conquoror and im sure similar reload 15.0 in the T10 VS 14.9 aced in the conq)
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The T55AM1 isnt that good to be fair.
The turms 3 has a 5 second reload, and a 30mm coaxial autocannon.
to boot is 2 plane (should be 3) stabilised, extremely mobile compared to the T55, with an APDS that is better than the T55Am1 dart.
Having used the bagliet it could pass as a 10.0 to be fair. Its got a nice combination of everything.
Both are fine at their respective BRs due to the total lack of any and all armour.
The somau being 7.7 while the char 25T is 8.0 is a total slap in the chops the char is worse overall bar in the fact its slightly more mobile.
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The Char and AMX-50 TO90/930 should both be 7.7 anyway.
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The entirety of 6.7-8.7 needs decompression badly
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Fox is faster in city, flat, and snowy terrains, xm800 is faster in sand and mud.
I have only had 2 shell shatters and 4 nonpens out of about 140ish shots first.
Yes the spalling is going to be slightly bad sometimes. Especially on light tanks, but it’s not all that bad.
T-10a is a low speed stab, conquerer is a full speed stab. Vastly different in ability.
For a worse round, it has the same reload as the conquerer.
You have to hope you can pen what your looking at in the t-10a
Also, the Strv 103 is not a constant kill shot on the commander hatch, often it may only kill the commander. Unless, the hull is angled poorly.
Also, I shot a Strv 103 in the back with an IS-6 it fuzed and only killed the driver / engine
Doesn’t the Char fire Heat?
6.7 America is good, but it can’t even begin to compare to B.S like Tiger 2 (H) and 50mm Me 262, especially if you only count non-premiums.
DF105 is undertiered as it is right now. I should go higher.
Somua and char should swap,
And the sta is a potent tank, 7.0 isn’t going to kill it. It just gives 6.0s a better chance
No, APHE only.
Keep in mind the Object 906 is the same BR.
I would say on this do keep in mind that crew ergonomics are a thing, those rounds be very long and thats a very smol boi for them. Exact same reason why the Vijayanta/Vickers mk1 has a redic rate of fire compared to Centurion even though they look very much the same. (where the Vickers managed to get records in both rate of fire hitting targets and time to engage 2 different targets)
Though this is why imo the ammo should do more damage more so.
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Strikemaster 6.3>7.0 if we gave it the miniguns found on a Omani Strikemaster.
Its ground attack abilities are amazing for its BR, arguably too good honestly as I have had really no issues using it at 7.0 or even 8.0 so long as no radar SPAA shows up (even then it can work out). The main reason for its “low br” is simply not having effective air to air choices with only the GPMGs and twin gunpods. Giving it the SUU-11 would massively buff its capabilities, with IIRC the ability to double /quadruple the RoF per minigun selected over the twin gunpods (I dont have any planes with these weapons unlocked so I am not 100% sure how the variable RoF system works in WT).
While imo the twin pods do fine for the most part, this would grant it enough teeth to deal with a higher BR threat range.
(also shameless plug of my report/suggestion Community Bug Reporting System )
Yeah i miss the char being a lower BR i got it when it was 7.3 and it was alright there.
the am50 and TO90 i dont use, i prefer the lorraine .
The fox is not faster in snowy terrains than me in my XM800 however that again doesnt address the other myriad of other things i listed that the XM800 does better than the fox.
140 shots really? thats a bit of an over estimation considering youve got 17 matches with it eve with 27 spawns somehow.
I’ve watched the round go clean through the UFP of a T62, then bounce off of an ostwind.
It has always been tempromental compared to other APDS rounds, the conquoror stands no chance fighting alongside 8.0s such as amx30, leopard 1, Vickers mk1 , centurion mk10, T55 and so on, they are just far better tanks for the BR and it would literally kill conquoror to face against 9.0s.
The T10A stab I think functions to about 27 KMPH roughly, been a while since I used it, the conquorors max speed is 34kmph thats its max speed, youll be lucky to be doing that in it.
Personally I do agree APHE is worse than APDS , BUT at 7.7 so many more will take APHE over APDS and would prefer it. As well as that it has massive overpressure capabilities.
Constant enough for me man, id rather shoot it with APHE frontally than the conquorors APDS that will just blow its transmission out.
That be the laws of gaijin unfortunately man, shot a damn T44 with a chieftain the other day and went clean through the ammo and killed the gunner.
sucks.
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god no, the chars best round is a 202 flat pen APHE xd
They really should man agree there.
sta-3 is not potent at all, its loud, slow, and tall, its pure paper, its literal only calling card is its auto loader and even then 6 seconds isnt that different from the tiger 1 at a lower BR with a far more effective gun, or even tiger 2 at the same BR.
Sta-3 and in connection type 61 are fine where they are. w