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[Necrons31467]

Your guys’ comments made me play the T26E5 again:

Stomping a bunch of Tiger II’s that can’t do anything to me and racking up 12 kills.

@Tukitactic01-live

Btw, this is what jumbo has to deal with rn a lot of times

No different from what a Panther has to deal with when facing a T26E5.

@Pangolin_Fan

It has an amazing cannon with a short reload

The gun is the only great thing about it.

@Pangolin_Fan

and is very stable on the move

Of course it is when it barely goes above 20 km/h.
If you’re barely moving you’re naturally going to be stable.

@Tukitactic01-live

the reload isnt that bad

16 seconds without explosive filler ain’t bad???

@Tukitactic01-live

Tiger II would kill t26e5 much before it could even get close to the Tiger II

I see that’s working out great for them:

- YouTube

@Tukitactic01-live

the only weakspots of the Tiger II are the mg port

And the cupola, and simply overmatching the turret sides (which are garbage due to only being 80mm and sloping inwards).

@Tukitactic01-live

Trust me, u can do it

You’re on a 51% winrate in the Tiger II Early and a 47% in the Tiger II, not exactly encouraging when it comes to that playstyle being able to carry matches.

[Tukitactic01-live]

@Necrons31467

Stomping a bunch of Tiger II’s that can’t do anything to me and racking up 12 kills.

Congrats for the good match and the nuke!!

@Necrons31467

No different from what a Panther has to deal with when facing a T26E5

U see all those weakspots? All of them are a one shot, and think about this is a 6.0 against it, now look at what a Tiger II can do to him

@Necrons31467

The gun is the only great thing about it

Dont forget about the armour

@Necrons31467

16 seconds without explosive filler ain’t bad

Not that bad, btw, if u want a better experience,u can play t26e1

@Necrons31467

I see that’s working out great for them:

90% of those tiger II were Tiger II P btw, i just see a lot of german mains with tunnel vision tbh, if atleast one of the Tiger II H’s would have fight back without giving u his side what would u have done? Since as i see u dont carry any apcr round, btw, i gotta say that first shot to the mg port was nice, but what was that tiger II doing? As i said, problem is german mains, not the t26e5 itself

@Necrons31467

You’re on a 51% winrate in the Tiger II Early and a 47% in the Tiger II, not exactly encouraging when it comes to that playstyle being able to carry matches

Yeh, as i said, used to be one of those german mains lol, then started playing the US, needed to do some research of weakpoints, now that i know the weakpoints of all the tanks i can play without any problem on the Tiger II’s but yeh, u are right my stats are a lil bit destroyed by those times. Btw,im making them better month, it is kinda to change bad stats from 2 years so wish me luck mate!!

[Necrons31467]

@Tukitactic01-live

Congrats for the good match and the nuke!!

Unfortunately nowhere near enough time to drop it.

@Tukitactic01-live

U see all those weakspots?

Those are pixel weakspots and some of them (mantlet) don’t result in any meaningful damage, even for the long 88 which just has it’s damage eaten by the breech.

The same can’t be said for a 90mm penning the turret front of a Tiger II Early however, those are usually one-shot-kills.

@Tukitactic01-live

All of them are a one shot,

That’s like saying: ‘‘See all those weakspots? All of them are a one shot, and think about this is a 7.7 T-54 against it!’’

Good luck with that in an actual match though.

@Tukitactic01-live

Dont forget about the armour

I don’t mention the armour because the armour is terrible on the Early version.

They just get deleted with ease, and let’s be honest here, this 90mm doesn’t even have the best pen at 6.7 either.

@Tukitactic01-live

what would u have done?

Same thing as the very first Tiger II H in the compilation.

MG port, barrel or cupola, you’ve got decent options.

Besides, 80% of the time you’re not fighting them perfectly head-on, or you can simply wait for them to expose a weak side.

@Tukitactic01-live

90% of those tiger II were Tiger II P

Yeah, my point is also that the Tiger II Early going down to 6.3 is justified, it simply shouldn’t be the same BR as a T26E5.

Also don’t forget that the Tiger II’s have absolutely awful, and I do mean truly horrendous mobility.
They used to be semi-alright with the 700 hp engines, but now that they’re 600 hp they’ve gotten 30-40% worse.

The T26E5 is certainly no speed demon, but when even a sluggish T26E5 is massively more mobile than you, you know you’re in trouble:

[Tukitactic01-live]

@Necrons31467

Unfortunately nowhere near enough time to drop it.

Yeh, know how that feels, got my second nuke only using SPAA but this time at 12.0, i couldnt launch the nuke in time because my team lost the game, kinda sad tbh

@Necrons31467

Those are pixel weakspots and some of them (mantlet) don’t result in any meaningful damage, even for the long 88 which just has it’s damage eaten by the breech.

The same can’t be said for a 90mm penning the turret front of a Tiger II Early however, those are usually one-shot-kills.

Ill be honest with u, u are not a pro, but u are a real good player tbh, i would consider myself right now just as good, good thing is that i know every weakpoint.

These are your stats, ill give u the stats of every player u killed in that video in a later post bro.

@Necrons31467

That’s like saying: ‘‘See all those weakspots? All of them are a one shot, and think about this is a 7.7 T-54 against it!’’

But hey, lets be fair, we cant compare a modern tank against a post WWII era tank, but we can compare a WWII against a WWII. Lets be fair.

@Necrons31467

I don’t mention the armour because the armour is terrible on the Early version

I didnt have any trouble since players at low tier for some reason aim at the chassis 90% of the times, and the players in jumbo struggle to pen the turret even using apcr that is kinda sad

@Necrons31467

Same thing as the very first Tiger II H in the compilation.

MG port, barrel or cupola, you’ve got decent options.

Besides, 80% of the time you’re not fighting them perfectly head-on, or you can simply wait for them to expose a weak side.

Not bad,but against an experienced player it wouldnt be that easy

@Necrons31467

Yeah, my point is also that the Tiger II Early going down to 6.3 is justified, it simply shouldn’t be the same BR as a T26E5.

Also don’t forget that the Tiger II’s have absolutely awful, and I do mean truly horrendous mobility.
They used to be semi-alright with the 700 hp engines, but now that they’re 600 hp they’ve gotten 30-40% worse.

The T26E5 is certainly no speed demon, but when even a sluggish T26E5 is massively more mobile than you, you know you’re in trouble:

Tbh, this argument that u say is fair. The problem is that most 6.3 players panic when they see a Tiger II and they dont know what to do, making them fail their shots, the moment u find a mid experienced player he will just shoot at your turret, we know that, but think about what it feels to be a level 25 and see a tiger II in a sherman, u are horrified!!

[QTip_44]

So it was a barrel shot?

When you say a “lot of times”… these enemies are not moving their turrets?
(easier to do of course on casemates)

[Tukitactic01-live]

@Necrons31467

I see that’s working out great for them:

As i said in the other post,ill show u the stats of every player u killed here. Just to show u the problem is not t26e5,but the german glazers/new players, i wont even say german mains anymore since there are good german mains.

[Tukitactic01-live]

Just one of them was a lvl 100 player, all the other player are below level 50 and no one of them have a kd of atleast 1. Wich is kinda sad to see, those are the 90% of the poor dudes saying US tanks are op, when the thing is that they dont even know what is a weakspot because they are used to pen almost every spot when they were playing with their Tiger H1 at his BR

[Tukitactic01-live]

@QTip_44

So it was a barrel shot

Yep, frontal shot to the 75mm barrel is a eassy pen on the maus, it is kinda funny

@QTip_44

When you say a “lot of times”… these enemies are not moving their turrets?

What can i say, they probably thought i wasnt able to pen them so they didnt angled

(Edit) Since i cant make more than 3 post in a row.

@Necrons31467 yo bro, i just realized i couldnt clip/screenshot that match where i got the nuke using mostly the m247 at 12.0, but i could find the replay (i used the abrams at the end to get the last points of the nuke), btw, i wasnt focuss, i was playing with some friends of my squad and listening to music, and somehow the nuke symbol just poped there xD, kinda sad that my team was kinda bad so i didnt have time to launch the nuke even when i managed to clean the entire point by myself
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/508071081811946056
Chek it out pal and tell me what do u think

[Necrons31467]

Shame you couldn’t drop it.

But yes, that certainly was the match of all time.

I kinda have to ask why you’d spawn a 9.3 SPAA in a 12.7 match though, I mean, I guess it works when every German main just rolls around a corner with their sides flat on.

If you ever have the back of a Leopard 2’s turret, try and shoot it into the ammo bustle, from the rear it’s a guaranteed kill and you won’t risk getting RNG’d by the hull spall liners or fuel tanks.
With the Puma you could’ve shot through the corpse and killed the Puma I think, especially since it was a Leo 2 corpse with it’s thin 50mm sides.

Otherwise a nice attempt to bring it back.

[Tukitactic01-live]

@Necrons31467

Shame you couldn’t drop it.

Yeh, kinda sad tbh

@Necrons31467

But yes, that certainly was the match of all time

I have a nuke at 10.0 using fully SPAA,not a single mbt, check this out bro

Just m247+lav ad

@Necrons31467

I kinda have to ask why you’d spawn a 9.3 SPAA

Ill tell u something, the m247 is probably the best anti air to get SP in the match, u can destroy tanks, drones, planes,helis, everything at every br, even if they shoot agm’s at u u can just destroy them in time because of the holy op HE-VT. Also, u can pen the front of almost every mbt shooting at the optics somehow, thats why im using the m247 at every br, it does work at every br

@Necrons31467

If you ever have the back of a Leopard 2’s turret, try and shoot it into the ammo bustle, from the rear it’s a guaranteed kill and you won’t risk getting RNG’d by the hull spall liners or fuel tanks.
With the Puma you could’ve shot through the corpse and killed the Puma I think, especially since it was a Leo 2 corpse with it’s thin 50mm sides.

Yep i inow, but i was just chilling in that match u know, just randomly playing with friends

@Necrons31467

Otherwise a nice attempt to bring it back

Would have been epic if i where able to save that match by myself, but i couldnt because my teammates couldnt hold the point for 2 minutes sadly xD

[Necrons31467]

Another rapid 10 kill match against Tiger II’s at decently long range.

You can see how overmatching those crappy turret sides they’ve got is really easy.

- YouTube

[Tukitactic01-live]

Man, i kinda feel bad for them, like, the tiger u killed in the minute 1, u shot him and failed and he just kept pressing W without even care. 90% of the german players at 5.0-6.7 need to be studied, i mean, how they can be this blind, if just one, just a single Tiger II H saw u at that distance he would have the total advantage but they were doing… Idk how to describe what they were doing.
I would say that u are a good player and thats why u play good on the t26 just as u would do with every tank, just as i got a nuke with a panzer IV at 7.7, it is not about the tank itself most of the times, but the player that use that tank. Tbh this just show how war thunder need a skill base matchmaking, the only tank that i saw that would have struggled to pen u was the Tiger 1’s but the panthers and tiger II can pen u without any issue, maybe is because it is a compilation, but i didnt saw anyone of them hit u so u would have done the same match with the m26. Good game comrade, really good game. But yeh, t26e5 its just okay at 6.7, it performance depends so much on the skill of the player and the skill of the enemy players. Have a nice day bro

[ParryACO-psn]

@Tukitactic01-live

how they can be this blind

I can give some insight to this.

At least from my perspective - and I don’t know if this is specifically a ps5 issue or what - but there are times I am straight up staring where a target probably is with binocs and they do not render at all.

And yes, I get blasted for it.

[Tukitactic01-live]

@ParryACO-psn

At least from my perspective - and I don’t know if this is specifically a ps5 issue or what

Hiii, i play on a xbox one fat so i play with extreme low fps xD i can tell u it is not a bug. (But yeh, sometimes this happens because of a bug) The thing is that 99% of the times it is because u dont have the crew skill called “visibility” i think upgraded, that skill is the one that makes u render the tanks, thats why if u see every tank stats there is a thing called visibility of the tank with a % ,it is there for something xD

[Necrons31467]

@Tukitactic01-live

the only tank that i saw that would have struggled to pen u was the Tiger 1’s but the panthers and tiger II can pen u without any issue

I’m sorry, but this is just untrue.

A Panther literally cannot penetrate my turret front at that distance, their only hope is hitting a thin pixel wide strip near the cupola.
A Tiger has worse penetration than a Panther, so the Tiger can most certainly forget about it.

A Tiger II is not going to pen me in that situation either. They can penetrate the inner most area of the mantlet, but that only takes out the breech and none of the crew.
There’s again a slim horizontal strip on the top of the turret, but hitting that is infinitely more difficult than me hitting a Tiger II early’s turret face.

I kinda feel like you might be confusing the T26E5 with the M26E1?

The M26 and M26E1 are the 6.7’s that can get their turret fronts penned by a long 88, but not so much the T26E5.

M26 and M26E1 have turret fronts at around 150-220mm.
T26E5 is around 180-270mm, and the 180mm portion only gets the breech, nothing else.

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

Hear me out. Shermans should be at at least at 3.7. This is because if you don’t have the German or Japanese long 75 you can’t kill it unless you aim for 2 pixel strip or the mg port.

[Tukitactic01-live]

@Necrons31467

I’m sorry, but this is just untrue.

A Panther literally cannot penetrate my turret front at that distance, their only hope is hitting a thin pixel wide strip near the cupola.

They can hit also the turret ring, and some areas of the turret bro, dont forget that!!

@Necrons31467

A Tiger II is not going to pen me in that situation either. They can penetrate the inner most area of the mantlet, but that only takes out the breech and none of the crew.

They can with a good shot,btw, they didnt even shot u bro

@Necrons31467

I kinda feel like you might be confusing the T26E5 with the M26E1

Nope

@Necrons31467

The M26 and M26E1 are the 6.7’s that can get their turret fronts penned by a long 88, but not so much the T26E5.

Let me show u, all these spots can be pen and will be a one shot using the panther,the thing is that u will need good aim

(My bad, the shot at the cuppola is not a one shot, but the others yep)

[Tukitactic01-live]

What u talking about? XD, the m4a1 is the only single sherman at 3.3, u can pen his chassis cheeks even with the russian 45mm, the other shermans are from 3.7 to 6.3 with the last sherman being the M4a3e2 76w (Jumbo 76mm). So idk why u are asking for something that is already in game? XD

[Pro_Gamer_Cat]

Uhh 105 shearman? 3.0.

[ParryACO-psn]

@Tukitactic01-live

The thing is that 99% of the times it is because u dont have the crew skill

I have it maxed on multiple crews and they’re still invisible. I’m not gonna say I’m a ‘great’ player in ground battles and may wear glasses but I know I’m not blind.

At least not yet, I hope.