It’s both. And… there’s actually a third reason too.
Germany is really lacking usable light tanks between BR 4.0 and 5.7, so it’s hard to cap points or get good early positioning.
In GRB the meta is firepower + mobility + CAS.
So yeah “Blitzkrieg” really is the key to winning.
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So the solution of the German light tank problem, is removing the one and only low tier German light tank, moving it slightly higher to a br Germany doesn’t have anything else at besides a single td, instead of adding in other vehicles… What.
Also this doesn’t even bring up the fact the puma would have a higher br than the chaffee which is objectively better than the puma in every category besides raw top speed and HP/t. I mean you could change the puma to rank 3 but one of the reasons why gaijin changed along of these vehicles br at 3.7 to be rank 2 is to limit the amount of players using these vehicles during events, as for why minor nations are different, it’s likely because even during these events, there aren’t enough players to screw up the matchmaker, I remember when the m4 sherman and pz4 f2 were rank 2, oh god for the mm break during those weeks.
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It’s missing armour only compared to 1984 B’s or newly made T-80BV’s whereas game version is meant to be B kept up to the BV standart.
I think it’s more than fair given thermal, even if the thermal itself is rarely ever used.
Edit: funny how T-64BV is always 5 layer comp, our T-64B in game is 1984 so it’s best soviet armoured T-64 we can get.
T-80U got them not from export model and it has Agava-2 whereas T-80B had much worse both thermal quality and FOV wise Agava (1).
It’s no T-80UM either as that has a different entrenching equipment. It’s just T-80U with Agava-2, some that were even seen in the Russian army. In fact we even know the index from the model, and the model itself is from 1989, whereas the thermal is 1985. Index wise it would be T-80U with Object 219AS-DEI6 index. Should also lose a single round when mounting Agava 2.
IIRC also Cyprus T-80U’s were with Agava-2 before being modernised to Plisa (same thermal as on T-80U-E1)
not really named that and goes like 10 km/h more in reverse than you noted.
I don’t have issue with possibly moving the vehicle to 4.0 in GRB because it might be undertiered.
But I’m not seeing the logic part of “lack of tanks in 4.0 - 5.7”. You can use the 234/2 with your rank 3 line-up regardless of what BR is assigned - 3.7 or 4.0, it will still function the same.
Keep in mind if it gets moved to rank 3, you will have to drop down in rank 2 to make use of the P204 for missions. The lineup should no longer be using Pz4-H or DickerMax. You could use the P204 with 3.7 or 4.0 rank 2 vehicles, but it will face stronger enemies because of that.
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yea i know i don’t remember exactly but its a T80UD the tank they modify
Come on… Its way better than the KV-1B and E. Making little sense why they have the same BR placement.
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You can just look at the polls. 58% think Russia is overperforming yet you’re buffing them again. At this point im convinced Gaijin is required to present Russia as stronk by the Kremlin for propaganda purposes.
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Ok so these arent official?
no
Havent been here for a looong time and the IS6 buff gave me a scare. Noticed that it wasn’t an official post when i suspected april fools.
I’ve been dwelling on the BRs of the M series mediums for a while.
I’d say 1.3 is pretty reasonable for the M13/40 (I) given it at least has good damage and turret armor.
The M13/40 (II), (III), and M14/41 are pretty equally effective thanks to the improved breeching allowing better RoF, so I’d just put them all at 1.7, though with a very small reload nerf to dampen the impact of moving them all down. The 47 mm may have poor pen, but the post-pen damage is good enough to tear through light tanks if given excessive fire rate. I don’t think they should be easily outtrading lower caliber guns so easily.
The same issues extend to even the M15/42. It’s just a worse Pz.III J and should frankly be 2.0, albeit with a nerfed reload for balance. The M14/41 (40/70) is basically a side-grade to the M15/42, and should be dropped to 2.0 too.
This is the current iteration of my proposal in further detail:
M13/40 (I)
M13/40 (I)
it_m13_40_serie_1
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Arcade Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M13/40 (II) & (III)
M13/40 (II) & (III)
it_m13_40_serie_2
it_m13_40_serie_3
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M14/41
M14/41
it_m14_41
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M14/41 (47/40)
M14/41 (47/40)
it_m14_41_47_40
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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47 mm 47/40 mod.38 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.3 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
M15/42
M15/42
it_m15_42
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.0
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47 mm 47/40 mod.38 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.3 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Yes, that poll was used as a metering device to tell how wrong most people are. Factually speaking USA has the best vehicles in game, but people feed into the “Russian bias” non sense
That proposal made more sense before the last major update. The KV-1 (Zis-5) is way better now since they made the turret and mantlet volumetric.
What facts are those?
You’re arguing with someone who does not care about fact. They are doing this for one of 2 things,
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They just want to get on the internet and argue with people.(maybe they are hoping to be aggravating and make players mad?)
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They truly believe their own opinions are superior to everyone else and that nomatter the reality, it must bend to their wills and beliefs. Ergo, “my opinion is the only one that matters, and if you disagree you are the one that is wrong”
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Ah yes community polls, the ever so reliable way to measure game balance.
Especially when a large part of the community is so unbelievably bad at this game, I’m impressed they actually figured out how they started their PC without help to begin with.
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XM800T should be 7.3 same as the Weasel
Weasel has the same armor, is smaller, uses the same gun and ammo, but also has LRF and thermals. XM800T is huge, does not have thermals or LRF. and for some reason is 1.3 br higher??? WTF? i assume its just cuz its amaerican and the devs obviously hate america
Stryker 30 should be 8.7 honestly.
and the 30mm EFV should be 8.3 or 8.0 cuz its trash.
Ah1Gs should be 7.3 not 8.0
Uh1B should be 8.0 not 8.7 same as mi4 and other early ATGM helis
UH1C should be 8.3 not 9.0 again same as other bad early atgm helis.
Ah1F should be 9.3 not 9.7 and get its missing flares. it should not be the same BR as hinds that get everything AAMs, Cms, sight tracking.
AH6 should be 9.7 not 10.3 for the same reason, that thing has no CMs and is pure suffering to play… and 2 junk fires does not make it playable vs all the under BRed russian God AA. not to mention 1 heat seeker and ur toast. literally nothing you can do.
It used to be around 7.7. It was moved up in BR for very good reasons lol.
Also that last sentence is the funniest US main cope out there.
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I mean the Type 87 P is 7.7 and its not that fun to play compared to the XM800T
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Right, cus only great players like you knows the truth ofc.
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