Havent been here for a looong time and the IS6 buff gave me a scare. Noticed that it wasn’t an official post when i suspected april fools.
I’ve been dwelling on the BRs of the M series mediums for a while.
I’d say 1.3 is pretty reasonable for the M13/40 (I) given it at least has good damage and turret armor.
The M13/40 (II), (III), and M14/41 are pretty equally effective thanks to the improved breeching allowing better RoF, so I’d just put them all at 1.7, though with a very small reload nerf to dampen the impact of moving them all down. The 47 mm may have poor pen, but the post-pen damage is good enough to tear through light tanks if given excessive fire rate. I don’t think they should be easily outtrading lower caliber guns so easily.
The same issues extend to even the M15/42. It’s just a worse Pz.III J and should frankly be 2.0, albeit with a nerfed reload for balance. The M14/41 (40/70) is basically a side-grade to the M15/42, and should be dropped to 2.0 too.
This is the current iteration of my proposal in further detail:
M13/40 (I)
M13/40 (I)
it_m13_40_serie_1
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Arcade Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 1.7 → 1.3
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M13/40 (II) & (III)
M13/40 (II) & (III)
it_m13_40_serie_2
it_m13_40_serie_3
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M14/41
M14/41
it_m14_41
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.0 → 1.7
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47 mm 47/32 mod.35 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.1 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Add Granata Perforante mod.39 (inerte) (APBC)
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Add Granata mod.35 (HE)
M14/41 (47/40)
M14/41 (47/40)
it_m14_41_47_40
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.3 → 2.0
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47 mm 47/40 mod.38 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.3 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
M15/42
M15/42
it_m15_42
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.0
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47 mm 47/40 mod.38 Reload Speed: 2.9 s → 3.3 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Yes, that poll was used as a metering device to tell how wrong most people are. Factually speaking USA has the best vehicles in game, but people feed into the “Russian bias” non sense
That proposal made more sense before the last major update. The KV-1 (Zis-5) is way better now since they made the turret and mantlet volumetric.
What facts are those?
You’re arguing with someone who does not care about fact. They are doing this for one of 2 things,
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They just want to get on the internet and argue with people.(maybe they are hoping to be aggravating and make players mad?)
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They truly believe their own opinions are superior to everyone else and that nomatter the reality, it must bend to their wills and beliefs. Ergo, “my opinion is the only one that matters, and if you disagree you are the one that is wrong”
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Ah yes community polls, the ever so reliable way to measure game balance.
Especially when a large part of the community is so unbelievably bad at this game, I’m impressed they actually figured out how they started their PC without help to begin with.
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XM800T should be 7.3 same as the Weasel
Weasel has the same armor, is smaller, uses the same gun and ammo, but also has LRF and thermals. XM800T is huge, does not have thermals or LRF. and for some reason is 1.3 br higher??? WTF? i assume its just cuz its amaerican and the devs obviously hate america
Stryker 30 should be 8.7 honestly.
and the 30mm EFV should be 8.3 or 8.0 cuz its trash.
Ah1Gs should be 7.3 not 8.0
Uh1B should be 8.0 not 8.7 same as mi4 and other early ATGM helis
UH1C should be 8.3 not 9.0 again same as other bad early atgm helis.
Ah1F should be 9.3 not 9.7 and get its missing flares. it should not be the same BR as hinds that get everything AAMs, Cms, sight tracking.
AH6 should be 9.7 not 10.3 for the same reason, that thing has no CMs and is pure suffering to play… and 2 junk fires does not make it playable vs all the under BRed russian God AA. not to mention 1 heat seeker and ur toast. literally nothing you can do.
It used to be around 7.7. It was moved up in BR for very good reasons lol.
Also that last sentence is the funniest US main cope out there.
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I mean the Type 87 P is 7.7 and its not that fun to play compared to the XM800T
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Right, cus only great players like you knows the truth ofc.
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the total average K/D of the WT playerbase is somewhere around 0.7, which is laughably bad.
I’m not that good of a player, but the overall balance opinions of someone who can’t even manage 0.9-1.0 should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.
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The XM800T is stabilized and significantly faster. An LRF is useless on the Wiesel, and the thermals are niche as well.
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Still overtiered though. It should be 8.3.
It was 8.3, but seeing how it got moved up again I doubt it was statistically unbalanced there.
You mean the Wiesel 1A4?
- not the same armor (25mm vs 8mm)
- not the same gun (STAB vs non-STAB)
XM has dual control, amphibious, better optics, 3 crew and Scout UAV
Wiesel has LRF but is also slower with only 2 crew
IMO the 4 step difference in BR is justified
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The stab on the Conqueror has been bug reported. With no stab it should be fine at 7.7
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try actually using it at the constant 9.7 br. cuz its dog ass
literally everyone can see you on thermals. you just die.
you cant pen anyway. its awful
and no ammount of gaslighting or Muh feelz about how gud it wuz in tha ol dayz, will change that.
its OVER BRed plain and simple. disgustingly so.
Stop trying to nerf my US heavies!!!
In all seriousness, though, decompression (which I think you are going for) is fine as long as you decompress everything and not just what you feel like should be.
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