Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

You’re forgetting the fact that the T1E1 90mm has only 4 rounds for its first stage.
After that, its reload turns into ~10s, which is very below average compared to everything at 5.3-6.0 other than the 122mm found on the KV-122 (which all have no first-stage, including the KV-220).

If you do somehow still have your ready rack up, that’s just one extra place where they can shoot to instantly kill you too.

What weakspots???


What, the machine gun port?

Even with the best overpressure round for a heavy tank at 5.7 (Tiger) barely does anything :

The only true weakspot is the turret ring, but it’s quite small and easy to hide, especially with bushes.
It’s also unreliable with anything other than overpressuring APHE, such as PzGr found on the Tigers:


Barely anyone plays T1E1 90mm in Squadron Battles at 6.0, let alone 5.7.
Quite a lot of players play the Tigris or Tiger E for 6.0 Squadron battles, though most people (if they have it) run the KV-220 despite it being ‘underpowered’… I wonder why?

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Well in the instance that they move the 6.7s up that I mentioned, then it could remain at 6.0, and get a 6.7~ secs reload.

As it stands right now, there is a lot of guns 85mm or bigger, or even the long 76mm that can put holes in the welds on the turret…

I blame an old bad damage model for this, but if it’s model got updated, and it’s reload speed was buffed, it should stay 6.0

Yeah the T-34-85 STP is a weird one, but again, if we’ll preforming 6.7 heavies get bumped to 7.0, it should stay at 6.3.

Centurion mk.2 is weird, it’s not very mobile, and it has decent armor, but it shines in the gun department. It reminds me of a slightly more mobile Black prince

You do realize I am an exceptional player right…?

I’m almost always 1st on my team despite the nation.

Again, if the vk 30 moves up, and the other 5.0 bully tanks, then the KV-1E would be fine at 4.3

The list isn’t perfect I know. It’s just what a single man can do with his spare time.

I dont even think you read what I wrote.

We are not grading your performance here we are grading the general stats

Your expectional performance as you call it only being 1.4k rating shows that the general playerbase has great median stats

I did read what you wrote lol.

But, at the same time, I’m telling you, it’s not just restricted to those vehicles you chose.

Oh okay

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If it remains at 6.0, it definitely doesn’t need a reload buff.

Can you show me?

The turret armour is quite good for a fully stabilized 6.7.

What we need is decompression since I don’t want to face a KV-1E at 3.0, and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want that either.

Strongest cannon at its BR, very fast, and its armor is near unpenable to most enemies in downtiers. Imo the VK 3002 is better than the Panther.

That is not a valid reason to effectively nerf the Cent mk10. Just because this particular area of the British tech tree is extremely compressed does not mean that the Cent mk10 should be right next to a chieftain, or even be at the same br as the Vickers mk3. What happens when the mk10 gets uptiered to 9.3 and has to face a kpz70? Chieftains already have a hard time against the better armoured tanks of 9.3, and that’s with one of the best apds rounds in the game.

Instead you should be looking to decompress this area of the game as a whole, not try to make band aid fixes by nerfing one of the only “viable” tanks at this br.

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You need to look at the bigger picture. I am spreading them out across all nations, trying to patch holes, and bringing up over preformers, and pulling down under preformers.

Funny you mention the KPz-70 which is another too good for its br tank, just as the xm803 and MBT-70.
If you want to talk about “things that struggle against x vehicle”

Look at an obj.906 vs a kpz-70 it’s a night and day difference

Have you heard of its HESH, perchance
imagine an M109 with a 2.6 second autoloader, except with HESH’s capabilities against actual armour

I can live with that. I never will agree that T1E1 is equally good with Tiger H1 tho. 4.7-ish protection of M6 Heavy Tank at 5.7, with its size and super weak sides… Idk. It just does not operate well for me.

Same as why i should meet the KV-1E with my Panzer 3M, Tiger 2 with my t-34-85 and FV4202 and M47 with my Panther or T-44. Because its a balanced game when heavy tank CAN bounce some shots, and the downtiered tank can have some confidence in its armor.

ah that poor 2AV should also get 5s reload. Its one weakling tank, i dont understand its reload time either.

well its easilly penned even with KV-1ZIS-5. And its one of the weakest cannons there. 34-57, 34-85, KV-85, Fireflies and Shermans also pen it pretty well.
I do believe that its balanced at 5.0 as it provides some pros with some cons.

i would argue the t58 packs a bigger punch lmao

you can OHK ANYTHING with a hesh to the tracks

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I do, gaijin balances manual reload times on turret rings. also the age of the turret. Did you know that the M60A1 can get a 5.0s reload? would be stupid as hell, but it can.

You say that as if any of your other examples are measured and fair.

Did you know it already has it? Google CM11 of china tree.

thats what is wrong with Gaijin - the reload time is considered a balance feature, so it can be changed to anything. Thy dont have any restrictions to that. But the point is, Gaijin is hella inconsistent.

Well, kinda?
All those encounters have the chance to flank and sideshot. Also except of OP British that have stabs at 7.0+ most are easy shot to the barrel. And some have weakspots on front. I mean, it should be obvious that tanks 1.0 br higher should at least not be penned from lower rank guns. If, however, the gun isnt their only good feature (like Archer that pens anything, and its okay). Other way its unbalanced that heavy or protected machinery only meets enemies that can pen it easilly.

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Only the XM803 and KPZ-70 are good at their respective BRs.
The MBT-70 is pretty mediocre at 9.3.

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panther F 6.3 but T-44 6.0???

-1 omg this thing was nightmare to face for 6.7+ tanks.

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does not need any change keep like it is

stays at 6.0 no for 5.7

i disagree fully with this it’s very op tank does not need any change keep it at 6.0. maybe with buff reload

8.3 this thing does not care about armor at all it’s slow but gun is great maybe with reload buff to help it.

8.3 br is also good for somua i own it and it’s king tiger with 4s relaod and better pen very op tank.

9.0 is good br for that thing at 8.7 7.7 tanks still have to deal with that thing on of the best tanks at 8.3.

keep it 6.0 the turret armor is easy to pen the panther G is better than the F in turret armor. does not need any change.

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No, it needs its historically correct turret traverse speed… its not as slow as in game.

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i mean about the BR not the turret !

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