Ground SB has to be more immersive

Well technically the mission are mostly realistic. They aren’t authentic.

People misuse the word realistic quite a lot.

But technically you can draw a white circle on the ground and fight over it. That alone makes it realistic.

Because for realism it just needs to be physically possible. It’s just not authentic.

But yeah the missions need to be better. However vehicles are more urgent. Since we need to get the sim audience back. Otherwise you create missions with the feedback of the shooter crowd. Which is useless.

Most ideas you proposed are quite hardcore at least for WT standard, but what ever switch hardcore to basic in my statements, the point remains the same.

1- we are talking about ground sim
2- you cannot possibly know that
3- no it does not

You are pretty naive if you think that GJ will invest resources to build something which might bring some crowd of questionable size.

Really? So now you are the mind reader ?
Unlike you I§m just being realistic what can be achieved and how. SIM needs larger crowd as it is now and then and only then a s slim chance that GJ will throw in some man hours into it and might bring some SIM features, Because so far they do mostly “emergency” fixes.

SIM now has larger issues then just it is not a SIM according to some, frequently mentioned problems:

  • SIM rotations are not available all the time
  • “land leased” vehicles, which is in deed atrocity but fixable in MM
    And some common with RB:
  • OP CAS
  • small maps and constantly shrinking game area

So flaws needs to be addressed prior improvements otherwise improvements might be in vain.

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And thats why we hate this thread, but rather then giveing constructive ideas people take rather the time and attack other peopls ideas. Sure you can talk about them but not dismising the other guys idea.

As much as I want, not all changes will come and for sure not at once. But we need atleast a list on how to improve sim ground. Let gajin do it slowly over time. Just saying I want and not giving any hints on how will lead to nothing. Every one has diffrent prioritys, makes them not uniportant or less valubele.

We could atleast produce a list of wishes that can be in the name of sim counity passed on.

No they are not, they are the exact equivalent to air sim. Which isn’t Hardcore either. Tank ganeplay was so dumbed down that even moderate suggestions scare you…

We are talking about the concept of a Simulation, the only one that exists in WT is air sim. So it is the only reference point.

Check the playercards in sb ec… Either they come from rb as abusers or the are sb players…

SB should be a ruleset where the rules apply to everyone the same. Simple as that. It also isn’t fair that ground units get to play their pew prw game while the planes in the same match have to … Welll… Fly.

Make a better RB for the shooter fans. That’s fine.

You lack reading comprehension if you think that is the only option i gave. GRB and GSB are substitute goods at the moment. If you want to take the economic angle then you shouldjust delete the mode. The costa vanish and since you offer the substitute goods you are not loosing customers. The ground players that play GSB most of the tine have more time in RB anyway (just look at yourself). They won’t quit WT. And the pilots in GSB will move to air SB. Gaijinn will not loose players over it.

Economically a better solution than keeping GSB running. Remember you are the one bringing in the economical angle, not me.

Dude … We are talking about sim. You get a mouse clicking game and still complainnabout CAS… Wtf?

Last time I checked, Targeting pods, Helicopters Air-to-Ground missiles tec. are “mouse clicking game”.
Vikhr spam now replaced Kh-38 Spam is quite SIM specific.

Your problem is that only thing you do is moaning that GBS is not SIM but otherwise you have zero valuable input. Only actual proposal from you, is that GBS should be deleted. Amazing.

And no, statement that tanks should have same controls like planes does not count.

I don’t lack but reading your posts is generally waste of time.

I agree. But they aren’t on all CAS. So it isn’t a CAS problem but only a problem with the implementation of newer technologies. Saying it is CAS remains wrong. Since this isn’t true for CAS in general. Bombing with a p47 is unfair towards the plane, due to mouse aim spaa and tanks.

So you pick a very specific example and generalize from that… Brilliant.

I did explain in detail what we need. What are you smoking?

I explained exactly how the aiming should work and so on.

How is that zero input.

Why because you say so?

What a cheap “get out of jail free”-card.

You brought up economics, now you don’t want to hear about it. “Oh i don’t read your post even though i am engaging in a conversation with you”

You want valuable input, but rbitrarily dismiss the input you don’t like.

What are you, a child?

This is exactly why any discussion with you is a waste of time. Normal person would understand that such statement does not apply 100% to everything, but not you. I think you have very autistic reactions tbh.

Can you link it ?

Because statement like WT should get better are useless by common sense. To general…

It is not, you can’t predict what GSB player would do, if the mode is discontinued, you don’t have any data for it. So any discussion in this matter is waste of time.

No.
Do you have any autism disorder?

ad hominem. Dude. you gave no hint when you wrote CAS is OP, that you only meant top tier. It remains a stupid statement in itself, without explanation.

Stop bitching afterwards, like this was clear. It wasn’t.

sure, i reacted to this post:

with this:

That should be completely clear.

Sure, but that wasn’t my statement. My statement is that in one dificulty level all rules should apply to all vehicles. That’s quite a different statement and not general at all.

It is not, you can’t predict what GSB player would do, if the mode is discontinued, you don’t have any data for it. So any discussion in this matter is waste of time.

usually i don’t stoop so low… but: are you sure you aren’t autistic. That’s how people function on a basic level. The sunken cost fallacy: You really think people with double the amount of games in RB than SB will stop playing WT alltogether if SB is stopped? Especially since RB and SB are almost the same for ground anyway? suuuuuure, it’s a mystery what will happen… noone can possibly be certain that the player that plays more RB anyway will not stop playing WT if GSB will be deleted… impossible.

Also as stated beforeGRB and GSB are substitute products, one steals customers from the other… they are al,most identical how couldn’t they be substitute products. It’s closer than switching from Monster energy to Rockstar energy… and if monster goes bankrupt the people will not stop drinking energy drinks. weren’t you the one trying to tell me about marketing? Have you ever visisted a course on marketing? i have

this drivel again. But nope. You are simply getting defensive, that’s fine.

There is more to autism than being pedantic. I am just pedantic.

So you proposed nothing other people did, commenting rest would be, as usual, waste of time.

again reading comprehension. I before proposed controls that are a psychomotor equivalent. I didn’t care what kind of Psychomotor equibvalent. Then Panther presented one (and there are a lot of possible ones, but i really don’t care which one it will be, just that it works). And since i assumed most people didn’t know what a psychomotor equivalent is, i used his example to explain. The context of the messages made that clear.

But hey, this seems difficult to you so i don’t judge.

Also not a waste of time, i agreed with another suggestion that is an example of what i want. How is that wasting time in a thread about making Ground SB immersive. Especially since it produces the definition of immersion?

You are making excuses for not having to engage in a conversation. You are failing.

Sorry I cannot be engaged in conversation where I need to explain myself to every last detail, because otherwise other party starts to quibble. I don’t really have time for that.