All good points, I don’t disagree. I played a match on Sinai a couple days ago with US 8.7 and it was Chaos . Wouldn’t mind slightly lower tier vehicles going to Pradesh either. Not sure it’s appropriate for anything <8.0 though, maybe some wheelie boys
Having recently started playing Naval - some of the maps really make me scratch my head. Why am I in engagement range in my spawn? Like what genius thought of that
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Remember when Flanders was added with an old and modern version? We need that for all new maps, except instead of just changing a crashed Zeppelin to a crashed Galaxy, the modern version should be far larger.
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I would probably stop playing if Sinai and Carpathians got BR capped. They are perfect maps.
Fair enough, they’re in my top 5 maps don’t get me wrong but I find at high/top tier they’re insufferable. It’s too easy to get into dominant positions with the vehicles capabilities that high up, some of the time through no fault of the loosing team
It’s this “one size fits all” mindset that may have been passable a very long time ago. But, as more and more vehicles have been added, changing the dynamics of the matches a great deal, even with several new maps, it just doesn’t work anymore.
For ground maps, the layouts, terrain/obstacles might work well at some BR ranges that are set up and be entirely inadequate for others, this is problematic. But the static spawn points and identical capture points at every turn don’t really help much either.
It would seem like taking the existing maps, rearranging spawn & capture points to a degree that would be more “playable” for different BRs and even just to add variety would be a good solution.
Example: Tunisia, used to have 3 spawn points, basically one for each capture point . . logistically
They cut it back to 2 spawns for each side. And with the vast amount of players just letting the game pick their spawn and going to the default near the city(I still do not understand this), most games . … 2/3’s of the map is ignored most of the time. It’s better now, but again, this map doesn’t bode well once you get past a certain BR.
Air battles, specifically in AB which I play most, it is the same basic problem. While the terrain doesn’t matter that much, the spawn points and their location do.
Try taking an IL-2 out on Rocky Canyon and go for the Thunderer award . .
Even without enemy planes you’d be hard pressed to get 20 ground kills before the timer ran out,
it’s that big . . .
Nothing below low jet status should ever even see this map. Maybe if the spawn points were adjusted to suit the BR, but most aren’t.
I constantly get jet spawns flying 4.7 BR props leading to spending 60% - 70% of my time flying from spawn to the action . . . I stopped playing Air RB because of that stuff early on . . . lol
Ain’t nobody got time for that . … . . it just gimps the scoring and makes a lot of matches unenjoyable.
But the sad thing is I’m afraid, what we would hope/ask for in adjusting the maps and BR ranges that play them would have a time/effort(cost) obstacle that just makes it not very feasible or likely to happen . . . which is too bad . . . but… way of the world.
Why make 10 variations of a map that suits the most BRs when you can make 2 variants
and just let it roll?
C’est la Vie
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Yeah lmao, just notice how most maps have a perfectly balanced and clearly symmetrical area for coastal vessels’ spawns but the rest of the map for anything destroyer+ is just the enlarged landscape, 0 thought. They just expanded the playable area for larger ships.
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It would be nice to be able to ban as many maps as we like. There are about 6 that I won’t play…i simply “Return to Hanger” when they are offered and grab another country’s tank. Giving more control over maps probably works better for the other players as well because they aren’t losing a player right out of the gate.
Exactlyyyyyy
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And Attica 1.0-2.3
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Carpathians, Ardenne, Poland, Hurtgen, American Desert, Sinai especially, and Japan are all great maps that shouldn’t be artificially restricted.
Pradesh should be made available to 5.7s, it shouldn’t be nerfed at all.
Red Desert should go lower as well.
Sinai does not need restrictions, it’s probably the best map in the game right now.
Small Poland shouldn’t be seen above 8.3
I don’t like Hurtgen or Japan personally but they’re fine on any BR
Carpathians is heavily dependent on the skill of players. Sometimes it feels extremely unbalanced at high tiers, sometimes it’s amazing. On lower tiers it’s just fine in general.
But
Ardennes either needs a serious spawn rework or should be capped to just below where LRF’s become prevalent. That map is not fun when you can’t even leave spawn safely without getting tapped.
Eastern Province I’d rather see gone completely, but alas. Eastern Europe however is just far too cramped above 6.7. It needs to get out of high-tier matchmaking.
Pradesh/Red Desert work best either 8.7 or 9.3 up. WW2 matchmaking is not suited to their size and would give the cold war tanks around those BR’s too great an edge.
Attica I can’t comment on because I’ve had to use my perm-ban on that piece of garbage because it’s an fps black hole the likes of which I cannot comprehend (no seriously, why does that map in particular just tank it so badly)
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While I understand your sentiments, it’s just not feasible and defeats the whole purpose of “Random Battles”. Think of it like real soldiers, they did not have any choice in what, where or when they were sent to attack anything. We are actually given far greater freedom of choice than any real military personnel ever had . . . I mean everyone playing is literally their own General.
The “game” part of it all is . . .learning to make line up’s/presets that you can use on any map/mode that the game gives you for a match, regardless of the BRs or any of that stuff and you should find ways to win the battle, scoring as much as you can with what you have on hand . . that’s the game part.
Unfortunately a great many become obsessed with the “grind” and acquiring new vehicles(and of late “speed grinding” to top tier as if that’s all that matters . . it has become “meta” the past 4 - 5 years)
And they seem to lose sight of a good portion of the game and how to play it.
Granted, we all like different things and most are not going to play every mode, vehicle type or nation, and that’s ok. Find what you enjoy and do that . . . this is the way.
But the concept of “mass banning” maps would only lead to players focusing on certain maps to try and bypass the randomness and get past the progression model the game has had ever sine I started nearly 12 years ago.
It is not in Gaijin’s best interest for players to swoop up to top tier, play a while and get bored and quit.
They want us to progress, sure . . . just at a slower pace than most players would like . .
That is also, part of the game . . . ☻
I love going to B on the large version and everyone ignores me and I snipe them
This map is like Advance to the Rhine but open and more terrible
honestly I like Sinai up to 12.0 or so
and sands of Sinai should absolutely be played at top tier
Breslau (all missions) - Current 6.7+ -Proposed 3.7-6.7 (or even 3.7-7.7)
Reasoning: It’s basically the WORST map to fight against advanced CAS, and the mix of close quarters and long corridors layout may favor interesting WW2 to early cold war vehicles (Besides, and on a personal note, I despise CQB-based maps in top tier.).
Kuban (all missions) - Current 1.0-7.7 -Proposed 1.0+
Reasoning: It’s time to kick the nest. Get an old map everyone knows up to the higher ranks of the game, it’s even played at high br games in tournaments and it has valid chokepoints for the vehicles.
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I fully approve of this. Not having to see Breslau at 8.3 would make my CAS life 10x easier.
Yea we should get better maps for top tier
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Well, I do it anyway. My point was that it would be nice to simply lock in those preferences. I play only 1 Conquest map, very rarely play Battle, and have about 4 maps that I don’t play as well. For all of the above, which is about 2/3 of the games I’m offered I simply “Return to Hanger”.
i don’t care about crews getting locked, I’ve yet to run out other country tanks to grab. What it will do though is leave one team short handed if there aren’t players with the -join ongoing battles- (or whatever its called) option enabled. I see lots of people exiting games right at the start for whatever reason. Just seems to make more sense to prevent the gaps in lineups right at the start and let players avoid the game types/maps they really dislike.
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