They should have stopped with South Africa subtree, nothing else that came after it was “unique”. After all this time SA is the most unique subtree in the game and because that actually had some effort in the making.
Sufa is compatible with all the weapons it has in-game.
Python 4s are just as accurate to have as the other weapons.
Sufa is also not 14.7+ where Python 4s would stand anyway, so its weapons are good for the BR it is.
“Nerfed” also means going from one state to a negative state, which Sufa did not.
“Artificial” in this context means without documentation, which all weapons Sufa uses are within documentation, as well as its air performance.
So no, there are no artificial nerfs.
2- Magic 2s were not released without IRCCM.
2a- Magic 2s were released as Gaijin and the community thought they were: Without IRCCM.
Literally no one knew Magic 2s had IRCCM when they were introduced.
It wouldn’t be until later document finding that IRCCM would be found out.
@JantHırsızı
Hungary is the only majority copy-paste sub-tree currently. And even then it offers unique lineups for Italy.
All other subtrees are unique majority.
Only at Low to mid tier
You would be the minority, and you seek to starve Israel from it’s full potential by denying the addition of a subtree.
Anyone who values a varied set of capabilities in any given lineup is in support of the completely different playstyle offered by mirages, and leopards (compared to merkavas).and the additional light tanks fill a gap that israel can barely fill besides the Eitan
“Unique” as in t72m for finland and hungary, ZSU-57(very unique), leopard 2s(rare tank), Yeah, sure.
I’m not even mentioning benelux which is literally just there just for the sake of france having them.
They missed the opportunity of adding Patria vehicles, the T-72 FINMOD, the BOLIDE mounted on a unimog, ZSU- 57 howitzer, etc… Finland is a unique nation as far as vehicles go, just not represented in war thunder
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Countless aircraft are artificially held back
Yea, and most of the time their performance Is comically wrongly implemented
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i wouldnt be bothered if they actually gave some effort to finnish subtree instead of literally just reskinning existing vehicles, the most ““unique”” vehicle in there is BT-42 and T-55M if we are generous
Well Gaijin is notoriously stingy, ignoring suggestions for all eras of finnish armour, where is the Sturmi (stug 4) for example… yeah I agree, they were really lazy with the FDF subtree
what greece has in its inventory already exists in the game in a way or another, this is going to be the same case as hungary, benelux and finland for israel, reflagged, reskinned vehicles added, and they will call it “x number of new greek vehicles added to israel”
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The Finnish T-72M1 was the first ever T-72M1 added to the game.
And the Hungarian T-72M1 was another new model.
The German T-72M1 is a copy-paste of the Hungarian T-72M1; funny that the only T-72M1 that was copy-paste wasn’t part of a sub-tree.
Oh, and before you claim T-72A is the same, it’s not. T-72A’s a older 3D model made during a time when War Thunder was aiming for lower graphical demands. It’s quite literally lower triangle count at minimum let alone the countless model and texturing difference between it and the newer additions.
There’s a reason Tiger 2s got remodeled recently as well.
Benelux is >50% unique vehicles as well.
Finland is quite literally over 55% unique vehicles.
@Farlexgamer_psn
Zero is indeed a countless amount.
Things being added incorrectly =/= artificial. And obviously it’s not a nerf because it didn’t change.
RD33’s thrust curve came in incorrect, it was never nerfed because it was never in a more accurate state.
It’s not artificial, it’s not a nerf, it’s just incorrect.
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the air tree is going to be even more ironic considering israel already operates about half of what greece is going to bring to the table jets wise, almost like an excuse to give israel “meta” top tier vehicles
@Ripbozo
You do realize that this sub tree is a next year item at the earliest, right?
That’s a year away, that’s after stealth aircraft get added. That’s after Israel gets F-35.
Israel won’t see a sub-tree tank for over 3 major updates.
Well it’s the exact same case as the Hungarian tree, as you get a very capable jet at the time (Gripen) and a meta tank (2A7HU) alongside some variety through the upper ranks for Italy, it’s an overall win-win and has been a success in the past
In fact Greece & Cyprus offers more vehicle diversity than hungary ever could, allowing for a greater contribution and an increased number of hellenic vehicles is a net positive to bolster Israeli limeups, fill gaps and add different playstyles (eg, leopards, mirages, Rafales, etc)
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Missing ordnance Is Indeed being held back artificially.
Eurofighter missing iris T, meteor, assram, brimstone 2 etc means it’s getting held back
Rafale missing MICA IR, meteor etc Is Indeed being held back.
Note that im not saying all those weapons should be added RN for balance reasons etc, but the fact they are missing them means they are getting held back
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No, missing ordnance doesn’t hold anything back. The BR system exists for a reason.
Typhoon is not BR 15.7, it not having Meteor doesn’t mean anything.
Typhoon still has historical weapons on it in-game.
Being “held back” is a term centered around BRs. If you mean something else, you’re using the wrong term for it.
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Eurofighter missing brimstone 2, iris-t and meteor Is Indeed holding It back, same argument can be applied to any vehicle missing their own ordnance.
“Being held back” means to be prevented from progressing or advancing, whether by external forces or by one’s own hesitation."
As i already said, i don’t think such weapons should be added in the current state of the game, but the fact they are missing disproves your argument
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That’s a really spiteful comment for having given a valid reason for why Latin America should be added to Israel hahahaha.
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I am angry at irrationality involving M1A2T, and that might be slipping into posts on the topic of the desired Latin American tech tree that relies on both Chile and Brazil being the anchors.
So I apologize if it sounded harsh.
I really want Chile to be a form of a new tech tree and not a sub-tree for a tech tree whose host nation is across the planet.
And the M1A2T drama occurring in other topics isn’t helping the mood. XD