Greco-Iberian Ground Forces Tech Tree

[dejece_001]

Great job but I prefer a sub-tech tree for Italy because It would balance the game more.

[YaSen]

@spartinwarrior64

this is why i wanted the osorio to be added to the italian tt instead of the 2A7HU as it’s original instead of another leopard tree

While Osorsio is definitely interesting and unique it isn’t top tier material, it can’t be instead of 2A7HU.

[vizender]

While there are some very interesting vehicles here, I don’t think Iberian peninsula and Greece + Cyprus should be in the same tree.
Yeah they are from the EU, yeah they are Mediterranean.
But, that’s really about it.
I think it would have made more sense for the Iberian peninsula to join Italy or France (but it’s a bust since they already have their subtrees), and Greece and Cyprus to join a more Eastern European tree, like a Balkan tree.

[el_Argentino]

@dejece_001

Great job but I prefer a sub-tech tree for Italy because It would balance the game more.

You know that won’t happen. Italy already has Hungary and is receiving even more vehicles from Romania. At this point, adding Spain to Italy would be a waste.

@ChieftainWarrior

Equally though, if Gaijin doesn’t want to add Alliance trees, it might be a bit difficult. This tree can be marketed as Spain, just with added Portuguese vehicles and a Greek/Cypriot sub-tree. A joint LatAm-Iberian tree can’t really be marketed as e.g. Spanish or Brazilian because no single country would make up a majority of the vehicles.

The solid options for adding a main nation’s tech tree are running out (if they haven’t already). Eventually, coalition trees will need to be added, or the game’s growth pace will slow down.

Knowing Gaijin, they’ll want to reuse existing assets and maximize profits. So, a redesign of tech trees is likely. Players have been asking for revised tech trees and sub-trees with more separated tabs. A regional nation setup with tabs for each participating country could work. Most vehicles are already in the game—just modify and reskin them.

[spartinwarrior64]

hell of a lot better than the arietes, plus i don’t acc know what br to put it at

[YaSen]

You overestimate a lot, it’s 2A4 counterpart at max.

Engesa Osório EE-T1 120mm - Brazil goes to the tank championship in Saudi Arabia Pt. 2/2

poll poll poll Engesa Osório EE-T1 120mm [image] *Note for those who like osorio,the official name of the osorio has always been EE-T1, and the name EE-T2 was never formally made official, being sometimes used within the company among some of the staff. Back to Saudi Arabia 1987: The Definitive Stage [image]

Spoiler

<a class="lightbox" href="https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/original/3X/5/a/5ac3f74c78bf5053778026f047724fda408da47c.jpeg" data-download-href="/uploa…

[Colerend]

some stuff

[ChieftainWarrior]

Got 2/3 already. No need for the M113 with ZU-23 given it would just be a slightly worse BMP-1 ZU-23

@ChieftainWarrior

M113 (M61)

Greece has received hundreds of M113s, with around 2000 currently in service. The first deliveries occurred in the 1960s, and have continued throughout the years. In 2014, the decision was made to phase out around 250 BMP-1A1s and replace them in-part with M113s. In late 2013, three prototypes mating APC hulls with auto-cannons were produced, including an M61 gatling gun on a M113 hull – similar to the M163, but lacking the radar and an actual turret.

BR 7.3.

Armament: 20mm M168
Mobility: 212hp, 65km/h
Armour: 38/44/38mm hull

@ChieftainWarrior

BMP-1A1 (ZU-23)
Suggestion Post

In 1994, Greece received 500 BMP-1A1 Ost’s from Germany as part of a much larger weapons sales package to Greece and Turkey, intended at selling large quantities of ex-NVA equipment. In 2014, the decision was made to phase out around 250 BMP-1s and replace them in-part with M113s. In late 2013, three prototypes mating APC hulls with auto-cannons were produced, including a 23mm ZU-23-2 on a BMP-1A1 hull. This was the only successful design, and a number of vehicles have since been converted.

BR 6.0.

Armament: 23mm ZU-23-2
Mobility: 300hp, 60km/h
Armour: 19/18/16mm hull; Very thin turret

[spartinwarrior64]

i’m not a good judge of br, please outline the reasoning

[YaSen]

Overall characteristics, but mainly armor (even if they model it “as planned”) + mobility wise it has almost the same hp/t as Ariete. Also it has the same cannon as AMX-40, so it’d be quite limited in terms of firepower.

[BSpiel8]

Some Greek M8s had their Hercules JXD gasoline engines swapped for Steyr Diesel ones (although I’m not aware of which model), while the coaxial MG was replaced by a faster firing MG3.

Personally, I think this would be a better candidate for a 1.3 LT in line 5 than the SARC Mk.IVF that is already there, considering that the M8 Diesel is an indigenous modification.

[ImportantSimone5]

@ChieftainWarrior

🇪🇸 Chevrolet (Breda)

Chevrolet 1939 (Breda)

So, this vehicle would be uncomfortable I think (low depression for front and side arc) and truck far too big for such a weapon.
I propose to replace that vehicle with this one:

GAZ-AA with Breda 20/65.

[ChieftainWarrior]

Nice find, thanks!

[ImportantSimone5]

Sadly for there is only 1 source that talk about it.
Dammit.

[ChieftainWarrior]

UPDATE

Vehicles added:

• Bravia Chaimite V-200 (Peru) – BR 6.7
  • Chaimite in Peruvian service with a 106mm M40 recoilless rifle
• T-34-85 (M1919) – BR 5.7, Premium.
  • Cypriot T-34-85 with an M1919 instead of the .50 cal
• CCKW (25 pdr.) – BR 1.3
  • Portuguese truck with 25 pdr. in the bed
• GAZ-AA (Breda) – BR 1.3
  • Spanish GAZ-AA with 20mm Breda

Vehicles removed:

• M56 Scorpion
  • The Peruvian V-200 takes its place
• Chevrolet 1939 (Breda)
  • The GAZ-AA takes its place

Vehicles moved:

• 9K33 Osa: BR 10.7 → 10.3

Vehicles renamed:

• Leopard 1A3GR → Leopard 1A4GR
  • This was a typo, Greece never had the 1A3

Notes:
Will update the main post to include these soon. Thanks to @BSpiel8 and @ImportantSimone5 for your suggestions!

There are 2 vehicles I would really like to add but I’m lacking information on:

• Chaimite with Armada 60 or 90 rocket launchers
  • Either mentioned as M20 90mm Super Bazookas, M1 60mm Bazookas, or a domestic design. Haven’t found anything conclusive

• Libyan Chaimite with some sort of ATGM launcher or MLRS

If anyone has either information on the rocket launcher model for the first, or more images of the Libyan model, please share!

[AspandaIV]

Posting it here due to no Ibero-Hellenic/Greco-Iberian Air TT proposal. Spain is procuring the Hurjet to replace their aging fleet of F-5’s

Spain to procure Türkiye's Hurjet trainer aircraft - Türkiye Today

[ChieftainWarrior]

[Djavidus]

some additional low tier portuguese vehicles worth representing are the vickers 6ton

& the Berliet vpc armoured car with 37 mm SA 18 gun

[Clavs]

The Chaimite V-200 Armada 90 uses 88.9mm rockets. Those rockets were bought from Instalaza, who at the time made Super Bazooka copies, so it’s likely to just be M20 Super Bazooka ammo. The 60mm is a misunderstanding that goes around online since it mentions it also has “60mm grenade launcher”, this actually refers to the 60mm smoke launchers that’s also present in the basic V-200.

[BSpiel8]

Huh, I have always heard that they were 60mm rockets, which goes to show how easy an accidental fact can spread in such niche online spaces, thanks for clearing that up.