VEC H-90, does look a bit like the ratel but better, i think it’s ok because it’s an improvement
Chaimite-series? i mean isnt’ that what italy used for a bunch of stuff
the ASRAD-Hellas hell yeah, the ozelot is only one so far and i’m fine with that
main issue i have is merkavafest (israel) and a lot of your high tier is just variations on leopard 2s, this is why i wanted the osorio to be added to the italian tt instead of the 2A7HU as it’s original instead of another leopard tree
No, Italy never operated the Chaimite. A few countries operated/have operated it in the base-APC form, but only Portugal fitted them with turrets for fire-support or anti-air purposes.
Fair, but as I mentioned above somewhere, these are all (mostly) unique Leopard 2s compared to what’s in-game so far. Germany could get the Leopard 2A6EX, and probably will at some point, but funnily enough the 2E and 2A6HEL are just slightly better because they upgraded the gunner thermals to 2nd gen.
nah i mean the original version that portugal copied
also tier 2 to 3 is just a gauntlet of hand me downs lmao
The V-150? No to that too.
True, but there just simply aren’t many domestic options at these ranks, I did what I could lol. There are still a few there though, and e.g. the M52 HMC and M4A3E4 aren’t in-game yet.
Is it possible to augment this tree with the LATAM tree and combine both of them? Replace the more C&P looking vehicles with more unique ones found in the LATAM tree.
It is a pretty big tree though so I dont know how well these two trees can mesh together if possible even
It would certainly help reduce C+P, and it makes sense. Greece/Cyprus would have to be removed, and I don’t know how the LatAm community feel about it, but it’s a cool concept.
Equally though, if Gaijin doesn’t want to add Alliance trees, it might be a bit difficult. This tree can be marketed as Spain, just with added Portuguese vehicles and a Greek/Cypriot sub-tree. A joint LatAm-Iberian tree can’t really be marketed as e.g. Spanish or Brazilian because no single country would make up a majority of the vehicles.
Sorry for the late reply, my draft seems to have gotten deleted. But as promised, here are some options I believe could be plausible for this tree.
A Portuguese portee combining a CCKW and a 25pdr, not sure if if this one is actually functional, but there does appear to be enough space for recoil compensation. 1.3-1.7 SPG
A Portuguese Universal Carrier armed with a standard Boys AT rifle, but also what appears to be an MG13 on an AA mount. It will suck for sure, but I figured that it’s at least viable. 1.0 SPG
A T-34-85 in Cypriot service, mounting an M1919 rather than an M2HB. I think it can work as a premium, trading the extra firepower for premium benefits. 5.7 Medium Tank
A Nationalist Spanish (I think, judging by the Panzer I Breda in the background) T-26 with a peculiar modification; a roof-mounted MG 08. 1.0 Light Tank
A Spanish project to implement the 105/26 Reinosa cannon on a StuG III chassis, known as the Obus Autopropulsado de 105 mm. Some sources say a prototype (of one of the two designs) was created with the leFH 18 howitzer as a placeholder. Further sources will be needed to confirm this though. 2.3-2.7
A second Spanish ATGM vehicle based on the M41 chassis, and armed with the HCT turret containing four HOT missiles. I imagine you already know of this one, but considering that it was a direct competitor to the TUA version, I think it could be added anyways, perhaps as a premium or event. 9.0-9.3
A near-prototype Spanish SPAA utilizing the Meroka CIWS system. Just recently, Tank Encyclopedia came out with a pretty detailed article on this weapon’s development and the attempts to get it onto an armored vehicle. The turret was intended for the ENASA 3560/02, a fire support prototype of the BMR 6x6 APC and a brother of the C.1 you have already added to the tree. It seems that at some point during the combination process, difficulties were encountered, and the Meroka variant (named the BMR-620) was scrapped.
In addition, the turret was combined with the AML-60 armored car, creating a functional prototype for test purposes. Either this or the BMR-620 would make for an interesting AA option in the tree.
I also have a few more images and information regarding the Greek M113 (M61), not sure how much you left out from this post, but there is an improved model I will make a separate comment for.
I have tried to piece together the Greek M163 equivalent best I can, this is what I have so far.
Two tests of the M61A1 Vulcan on the M113A1 hull were conducted on March 30th, 2012, and 11th of January 2014. This is referenced by the official Hellenic army website itself.
Activities – Army.gr
I think this might be the first prototype after a few changes? The serial number is unfortunately censored but the camo scheme is identical. Regardless, the lack of a refined gun mount and sighting device is obvious to set it aside from the newer model.
Initial vehicle featured in this suggestion, likely quite early in development judging by the rudimentary and oddly colored gun mount, the BMP-1/ZU-23 combination to the left (see full image in suggestion) is a pre-production testing vehicle for the ones we know today. The M113A1/ZU-23 combination to the right is also a prototype, so this was probably back before the army had decided which weapon they wanted to arm this APC with.
Images of the same APC, identified through the camouflage, lower plate number (on the first image you can just barely see that it’s a 12 or 13), and the almost identical albeit repainted gun aparatus with the large yellow X. Alongside the Sokous vehicle at the bottom of this suggestion, these images are quite possibly from one of the two reported tests of this vehicle.
Somewhat recently, on June 5th, 2024, a new model was revealed, with what appears to be a thermal sight, and reportedly, new internal computer systems (FCS?) developed after feedback from Ukraine.
It seems there is a completely separate vehicle developed by Greek company Sokous Robots. I am not sure how it connects to the other prototype featured in this suggestion; perhaps it was merely an independent competitor. Nonetheless, the technology included is certainly more sophisticated over the other prototype from this time period.
The first of two videos, a simple firing test, was taken 12 years ago, which confirms that this vehicle is from the initial developments of this project. The second video is a more in-depth view of this prototype.
The embed for the first video wasn’t working, so you can paste DefenceNet.gr - Βολή M113 Gatling into Youtube to find it instead. Alternatively, I have a slightly shortened version I downloaded from Twitter.
Anyhow, that’s what I’ve gathered for the moment, but evidently the Hellenic knockoff M163 is a lot more than some makeshift unit modification. And as of this year, it seems that Greece has reignited this project, so I am interested to see where it eventually leads.
There are other Leonidas 2 variants that can be added
Leonidas 2 with a 20mm autocannon (most likely a Rh202)
Leonidas 2 with a turret made by DAF armed with a 25mm
Leonidas 2 with yet another turret design armed with a 25mm
There is also a Leonidas 2 with a turret from Cockerill that can either mount a 90mm or a 105mm
Thank you for these! I’ll try and add at least some of them.
I left these out because I couldn’t find anything reliable about the potential prototype. However the Obus 122/46, related to this project, was more clear about having a (partial) prototype constructed, so I included that one.
I did yes, I left it out because the turret was a mock-up; only the TUA version was fully-functional.
I knew about this one but I forgot to include it. Will do a bit more research if I can and try and fit it in.
Excellent info, thank you so much! I’ll have a further look into it, maybe both variants can be added.
I knew about all of these, and considered them, but unfortunately there’s just too little information.
Great job but I prefer a sub-tech tree for Italy because It would balance the game more.
While Osorsio is definitely interesting and unique it isn’t top tier material, it can’t be instead of 2A7HU.
While there are some very interesting vehicles here, I don’t think Iberian peninsula and Greece + Cyprus should be in the same tree.
Yeah they are from the EU, yeah they are Mediterranean.
But, that’s really about it.
I think it would have made more sense for the Iberian peninsula to join Italy or France (but it’s a bust since they already have their subtrees), and Greece and Cyprus to join a more Eastern European tree, like a Balkan tree.
You know that won’t happen. Italy already has Hungary and is receiving even more vehicles from Romania. At this point, adding Spain to Italy would be a waste.
The solid options for adding a main nation’s tech tree are running out (if they haven’t already). Eventually, coalition trees will need to be added, or the game’s growth pace will slow down.
Knowing Gaijin, they’ll want to reuse existing assets and maximize profits. So, a redesign of tech trees is likely. Players have been asking for revised tech trees and sub-trees with more separated tabs. A regional nation setup with tabs for each participating country could work. Most vehicles are already in the game—just modify and reskin them.
hell of a lot better than the arietes, plus i don’t acc know what br to put it at
You overestimate a lot, it’s 2A4 counterpart at max.
some stuff
Got 2/3 already. No need for the M113 with ZU-23 given it would just be a slightly worse BMP-1 ZU-23
i’m not a good judge of br, please outline the reasoning
Overall characteristics, but mainly armor (even if they model it “as planned”) + mobility wise it has almost the same hp/t as Ariete. Also it has the same cannon as AMX-40, so it’d be quite limited in terms of firepower.
