oh yea definitely…
Absolute truck of a flightmodel lol
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there are other variants of both MiG-29 and Su-27 that we can see, I’d rather have those rather than cheap C&P jets with different loadouts.
Its radar is compatible with rvv sd with upgrade, and gaijin already modeled it with its radar upgrade. Considering that it already gets the right radar it can definitely get r771.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160306232937/http://niip.ru/index.php?catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&id=13:-l-r-l-r-lr&itemid=8&option=com_content&view=article
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Yes, however, you haven’t taken into account that we’re talking about Gaijin and they are lazy af
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Su27sm should definitely be 14.0 anyways, it’s already the best 13.7 in the game imo with r77s basic. Can definitely be at 14.0 with only r77s still
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Only Su-27SM3’s WCS was updated to use R-77-1, What we have in game isn’t an Su-27SM3.
It’s ingame counter part upgraded like it’s a su27sm3 though in terms of radar. It gets 2 dl channel from the radar upgrade, when irl it had only one. So based on that imo it can get r771, its already modeled so that it can have it (even though its wrong)
I kind of doubt they’d give it 77-1s without updating the model to a SM3’s but since Su-27/30s can get twin racks that only Su-35s have used before, who knows at this point…
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It has an insanely dogshit flight model which pretty much neuters any kind of advantage It would have against other 13.3s
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nope, depend on your speed, when you go more than 700, yeah its a brick, but in slow speed you still can pull up some tactics. that said, it all depend on how you play it
no at low speeds it’s even worse
how much low we are talking ? 250 or 500
any
look i am not gonna waste my time, turn wise its good, when you play mig29smt, its about speed, you play it like a f15 but low to the ground.
Idk man, I tried it out like 4 times, realize how horrendous the roll rate was and never touched it again (yes it’s stock but I ain’t dealing with it)
What they need is decompression not more compression by forcing them to fight rafales F15GE sucks they would be in same boat as them but worse as they have no AESA
“been while since i played german 29s. how worse were talking?”
Compared to the 9.12/9.13 we’re talking worse enough to a point where it’s noticeable
“still a downgrade, combined with lack of HMS and smalle CM count with ADF and JF-17, argument could be made that these two more than enough compensate for bad FM. tradeoffs and what not.”
No. With a better FM you can control your engagements more and therefore transforming HMD from more of a must into a convenience, especially with tall-box ACM. In the -29SMT if you’re in a dogfight your only hope is to gain as much position as possible for that one R-77/R-73 shot. In an extended fight you’re dead. Not necessarily the case for the other 2. The CMs are also single-pop so that does help in the CM department. And the -A variant F-16s at 13.7 still only have 45CMs, so could be worse.
“Im aware that it has weaker engines when compared to TT Su-30. My main issue with Su-30MK2 is the missile count, which is simply unheard of for 13.3.”
Su-27 at 13.0 has the same amount of missiles (10). F-15, F-14 ( all 13.0), etc. have 8. I assume you meant in terms of ARH missiles and the ability to carry IRs on top of that, right?
“Normally, high missile count is there to compensate for either weaker FM, smaller CM amount, or lack of HMS or some combination of them. Say, KWS and other 13.0 ARH slingers.”
The FM is directly weaker compared to the TT counterparts.
The radar is bad compared to what you’ll find at this BR (and even lower).
The missile count is smaller than its bigger brother.
The missile count is compensating for multiple smaller weaknesses/comparative shortcomings.
“But Su-30MK2 does have HMS, same amount of CMs as Su-27SM, IIRC same RWR, IIRC same radar, and similiar FM to Su-27SM bar being 1000kg heavier. Its closer in performance to Su-27SM than it is to MiG-29SMT and other 13.3 planes. So id rather see it move to 13.7. Argument that it would be worse to Su-27SM and thus they cant share BR cannot stand - the differences arent big enough to warrant a different BR, and its perfectly reasonable for premium to be slightly worse than TT variant.”
“But Su-30MK2 does have HMS, same amount of CMs as Su-27SM, IIRC same RWR, IIRC same radar, and similiar FM to Su-27SM bar being 1000kg heavier. Its closer in performance to Su-27SM than it is to MiG-29SMT and other 13.3 planes.”
Everything is correct other than that the FM is worse than what you say because the -SM has improved engines, which do help it quite a bit. The MK2 only has the base Su-27’s engine. It also gets 2 fewer R-77s than the SM. I just don’t think that the MK2 should be the same BR as the SM given the fact that you have fewer missiles and an FM that’s quite a bit worse. But in the end I’ll blame compression.
And while it 100% is closer in performance to the SM than the SMT that doesn’t say that much honestly given how bad the SMT is.
“but I digress from my initial comment which was dealing with question of 29SMT recieving R-77-1s, to which I think the answer is no with slight leaning to “maybe, if the statistics show it performs significantly worse than its contemporaries”.”
Some final words:
I don’t really see many complaining about the J-11A, even though I’d say it is better. It has the same kit and BR as the MK2 but base Su-27 FM and an added MAW system for all that’s (not) worth. This comes at the cost of having the base Su-27’s RWR but it’s honestly workable. You have decent ping angles and the lack of J band detection isn’t really an issue when essentially every radar is I band. The only real issue is that you don’t know which target is attacking you.
I just think people are mainly upset about the fact that we have a premium that’s a downgrade from its 13.7 brother and therefore a lower BR.
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its definitely much better in close range (<20km) where most of the fighting happens
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It bleeds speed like a MiG-21 - one 90 degree turn and you get 8-16 m/s deccel with afterburner on. The fuel tank screws up the FM big time despite the graphs showing that it shouldn’t. Mayhapse it’s the mass issue but the tank is a huge liability.
It can’t climb with speed. When you reach 9km with 1.0M your average 13.7 enemy will be at 11km with 1.2M.
It can only perform well in a narrow window between 0 and 5000 meters, but even then you have to be careful to not to lose all the speed because at <0.8M it becomes a sitting duck.
Only good sides are R-77 perfomance vs anti-pod + offbore and ability to sneak kills with 27ET - everything the Su-27SM, Su-30SM and Su-30MK2 can do better.