It’s already the case that Germany gets supremely effective 20mm SPAA at 1.3/1.7 that can have better RoF than other while still having good AP performance firing both AP and APCR.
The Ta-Se at 1.7 has around the same armor penetration but only 2/3 the RoF, meaning it will naturally be better in destroying vehicles instead of planes compared to the German 20mm SPAA.
Same with the Italian car that only has half the RoF compared to a German 20mm FlaK 38.
So even at 1.3 it’s more of a light tank than a real SPAA.
A 40mm Bofors on a truck at 2.0 or on a light tank chassis at 5.0 is just naturally having better anti vehicle capabilities when German 37mm in comparison lacks penetration but have a higher RoF.
Some SPAA are going to play more like light tanks with increased AA ability then actual SPAA.
The BTR-ZD has dual 23mm with high RoF and velocity. Very good AA ability, penetration is practically the same as the German 37mm BUT it needs to reload after 50rds (per gun) and doesn’t fire APHE.
Is there any problem with the vehicle? Anyone feel like they should have the ability to “defend” themself from tanks?
No, because it’s a good AA vehicle and that’s why people play it.
There is simply no need to give German 37mm SPAA an ahistorical APCR round.
You make it sound like war thunder is 100% historical accurate and we all know that’s false.
But you are okay with certain AA playing like light tanks but not other.
Like you point out that already exist in game where some spaa play like light tanks/ have multiple roles.
Also that slight pen increase on the BTR-ZD is the difference between it being able to defend it self against vehicle that’s why it moved up from 4.3 when it was first added all the way up to 5.7.
And yes it feels like shit when you can’t defend yourself an any way.
Also it allows the vehicle to be played in a different role which makes it more usable.
By your logic the should remove all ap rounds from spaa so that they can’t defend them selves. Air only gameplay.
It just feels like you are trying to gate keep German 37mm spaa Ostwind 2 and Coelian. I just want the German spaa to get the balance it needs, to bring it up to par with the rest of the nations
You’re silly. It was moved up because it has two freaking 23mm firing at 800 RPM.
Of course a vehicle with twice the firepower as a Wirbelwind is going to rise in BR.
If that wouldn’t severly limit their ability to do anything in the game, I would agree.
Vehicles like the Falcon lose their entire point of being an SPAA due to having APDS that isn’t necessary.
It went up in BR because it’s so effective in killing vehicles, not because it’s a great AA.
So SPAA certainly don’t need to have some AP round that increases their effectiveness against ground vehicles, beyond the ability to destroy light vehicles.
It’s weird how your definition of balanced requires SPAA to have increased performance against vehicles.
The more effective a vehicle becomes in either AA or ground role, its BR increases, meaning faster planes and more armored vehicled.
So no SPAA is inherenly unbalanced. Simply because they are going to be effective against ground, air or both.
I think you are being a bit silly, vehicles are balanced on three things fire power, mobility and armor. Those effect where a vehicle is placed BR wise. Clearly it’s fire power was overpowered for that BR cause it could deal with light tanks and medium effectively also u can watch all the YouTube video when it was first dropped it was a light tank on steroids
The point of the game is to capture points / defeat the enemy if there are no air targets then ur subjecting a vehicle to be useless with your logic, the most powerful vehicle usually have multiple uses/ roles they can fill especially AA
I just want equality across the board when it comes vehicles either bring certain vehicles up to spec. In the case of APCR for the 37mm they would only have around 13 more mm of pen compared to 40mm/L70 Bofors 96mm pen of the AP which is already in game. Else bring everything down but I would rather option 1 for balance reason. I would not want to negatively impact the performance of other vehicles. I would fine with the adjusted BR after that is done!
Especially for the Flakpanzer 341 this (and the Pzgr. L’Spur) would be really needed, just now again, i couldnt even damage the enemys tank barrle, because it was too thick.
Example the Object 268 has 40mm barrle, and it was a bit further away so i couldnt damage it at all.
Could also add the Flakpanzer III with the H-Pzgr, and leave the Ostwind as is. It’s not like germany was lacking in different SPAAs, and there’s a lot of truck/halftrack based ones.