Add all-aspect AIM-9L missiles to the premium F-4S to make it competitive at its current Battle Rating.
At 12.0 BR, the F-4S is heavily outclassed by 13.0 fourth-generation jets slinging Fox-3s and flare resistant IR missiles. Keeping the F-4S locked to rear-aspect AIM-9Hs is no longer viable. Peer aircraft at the same BR, like the Tornado F.3 and F-4EJ Kai, already use Pulse-Doppler radar combined with AIM-9Ls. Giving the F-4S its 9Ls will allow it to act as a proper support fighter without breaking the bracket. The F-4S served deep into the 1980s, long after the AIM-9H was phased out. Official U.S. Navy and Marine Corps loading manuals confirm the F-4S was fully cleared for and routinely carried the AIM-9L Sidewinder.
F-4EJ Kai isn’t 12.0BR.
Tornado F.3(12.0) is lot much sluggishier than F-4 fuselage.
Got it, so what Br is the F-4EJ Kai?
You can Google it, or turn your game on to check it.
12.3, It also lacks the agile eagle upgrade that the F-4S has.
Implying F-4S isnt by far the best 12.0 phantom sure is a choice.
Compression issue, F-4S isnt sole aicraft affected. Decompress and move FOX-3 slingers up
F-4S also has PD radar albeit headon only
EJ kai sits at 12.3 in ARB and Tornado, as others already said, turns like a brick
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With honorable mention : DECOMPRESSION ,
I don’t think that ANY Phantom that doesn’t have 9Li/M and AMRAAM should be over 12.0 anyway.
All 12.0s should have 9L at the very least.
If anything 9L gets one tap-flared like any other non IRCCM IR missile , all aspect or not doesn’t really matter as soon as the opponents has flares.
If 9L was by RL data , we could talk about it… it Doesn’t, so it doesn’t mean much (ok unless you are in a Harrier or F-14 that is, that 9L performs 100% according to data and as it should perform…).
it also lacks the HMD of the F4S and doesn’t get AIM-7M
Well F4S doesnt get 7M’s either , it got 7F’s.
F4S crushes the competition. Please do not give it any reason to be brought up to facing Legacy Modern Platforms. If you want IR, you have the Aim9H. Come on. Please. Just get it to turn fight. I bought it because it’s acceptable, not because it needs uptiered.
Hearing the F4S needs Downtiered is unreal. Hearing it needs MORE capability is again, unreal. If you hate it. Buy it. It’s perfect where it is at.
I agree, but I think giving it AIM-9X would fix it for sure. Could finally take care of those Mirages with only 2x IRCCM IR missiles, or damn F-104S that bombs bases, and moreso F-4s with no PDs + proper SARHs at lower BRs…
Realisitcaly it makes sense to decompress BRs, but oh well
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