K/D and player stats in general dont tell the whole truth. US F-15 stats are worse than Baz and F-15J stats, does that mean the F-15A should go down? (I’ll give you a hint: no.). so yeah I think they’d be fine with my suggestions
I always forget the F-4S has HMS
they are functionally identical in game, so that’s not really an issue
F15a has worse stats than the mig29s
Alot of feelings over reality is at play
yeah because the HMS is generally useless on the F-4J/S, it’s okay to forget about it lol
Coincidentally, i also happen to have enough games to know it’s strengths.
Long and mid rage SARH shots are a huge gamble unless it is an R-27ER or 7P so you shouldn’t take them anyways. Within 10 kilometers is how you employ sparrows and hmd comes in HANDY for those shots as you no longer need to point your nose to the enemy to lock on. If he is offset to you either by above or left or right you can instantly acquire a lock. You dont use the HMS to push the gimbal limits or do an HOBS shot like in the 4th gen airframes and it is not only used for those things anyways.
It ıs far from a gimmic especially in a not-so maneuverable aircraft like phantom where with hms you save energy/speed by not pulling AoA and briefly exiting the multipath altitude to line up ACM box.
if it now had 9L too
easily 12.3 maybe 12.7
wouldn’t want it to go there tho because then the Airframe really seriously starts to be a Problem
12.3 indeed. If decompression happens, 12.7
Having played EJ Kai recently, i would gladly take two more sparrows over 4 Limas. They aren’t really worth pushing the BR of the aircraft anyways.
Bro 💀
Assuming i looked up the correct profile, I dont see any battles in F-4S at all.
7P is kinematically identical to 7M/F. Any shot with 7P is theoretically kinematically possible with 7M/F, not accounting for initial launch speed of the plane.
That is wasting the extended range 7M/Fs have over 7E-2/Skyflashes. With enough alt and speed, much farther ranges are viable.
Which is ultimately useless since you still need to swing your nose around so that the sparrow can pull into the shot so you get the nose close to the target anyway.
It is only usefull if you are at close range AND already pointing your nose to where the lead point would be and dont want to waste time and energy getting the nose on the aircraft, but this is relatively niche scenario to get into the first place, Phantom is BVR missile bus, not dogfighter.
if youre multipathing in phantom youre playing it wrong.
Try loookig at F-4J, It is the same thing.
Datalink
If they are inexperienced, viable. Against someone with brains not really. you don’t even have a MPRF radar.
Overgenaralized statement of century. Try playing a phatom at 13.0-13.3 if you are downtiered or at 12.3 you don’t need to Multipath obviously.
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minus the agile upgrade but aight.
kinematically
Precisely because F-4S is HDN PD radar it needs to be played at range.
if youre multipathing with KWS youre definetively playing it wrong lol.
Pointing out outliers, are we? I thought we were talking about 4S and EJ Kai in some extend. KWS equalizes the playing field against 13.3 / 13.7.
Kinematics does not matter for sparrow. It isn’t a 27ER.
Or you play it such that when you launch a missile he cannot go into a notch? Instead of betting on that he is a bot and won’t react to your missile.
It was you who bought 13.3 into the equation:
I recall i did not about EJ Kai in this topic. Nvmd i did mention it. My bad.
My point still stands. Any shot kinematically possible with 7P is kinematically possible with 7M/F.
You saying
doesnt make sense if you dont want to account for kinematics, since range isnt issue of guidance method but missile flight model.
Hit probability on the other hand is (for the most part) issue of guidance method.
not entirely sure what you are trying to say here.
I brought up 13.3 because EJ Kai is 12.3 and if F-4S/J ever happens to get Lima they will be too.
The point was, for BVR you at least need datalink feature to be available. That’s why ER and 7P is in the same sentence. You insisted that missile must be used at longer distance due to superior kinematics over the Earlier generation missiles.
Using your logic one must use 120D and R-77-1s at Raero because they are kinematically better than others? Long range shots are not a reliable way to get kills against an average player since it is very easily counterable either by going cold (can’t track, no MPRF) notch (massive notch zone due to radar) or multipath. You use missiles (either be ER, 120 or , 7F) WVR so he doesn’t have enough time to do any of those…
I personally dont think they would, but then again i dont think F-4S needs 9L in the first place. With current compression, I take slightly worse IRs if it measn lower BR outside of the premium Su-30 clown fiesta.
Not neccesarily. F-2A ADTW has relatively high hit probability without datalinked sparrows.
Thats not what I said however.
It might be issue with english not being my first language, but to me nothing in this sentence even implies they must be used this way.
I said limiting your approach and engagement ranges to 10km is wasting their range advantage over 7E-2/Skyflashes.
You can have good TtT (time to target) even if fighting at range if you have enough alt and speed at the time of launch.
I support, and move it to 12.3 that it deserves.