He isnt referring to TDs (with heavy frontal protection) here, he classed these vehicles (dicker max, marder, etc) as SPGs. With poor protection and higher than average firepower.
This is in reference to the majority of casemate “tank destroyers” such as the Stug, Stuh, Foch, Su-85/Su-100, T95 GMC and many others.
I’ll bite, here’s my top picks:
-The whole Ariete family.
-OTOMATIC
def a jumbo player who rushed on a m-51 and got one shotted.
Su-22M3 11.3 ARB 10.3 GRB >10.3 ARB/AAB 9.3 GRB literally has no place in 11.3 Air and 10.3 Ground
its AAM is too dookie for 11.3 and it’s surface missile is too inferior to other counterpart
m56 6.7>6.0-6.3 (cause it has no armor and dies to machine guns)
Merkava Mk. 2D
9.7 → 9.3
it doesn’t perform differently than the Merkava Mk. 2B and 1B, the composite doesn’t help at all.
It can’t go lower than 11.0 in air RB, because it would be OP at 10.7.
I disagree.
It trades armour for mobility and a powerful gun, so it’s fine at 6.7.
it goes 28mph… the m60 2000 goes faster than that at top speed…
“At top speed”
The M56 reaches its top speed very quickly, while the M60 doesn’t. It’s still a very mobile tank at 6.7.
R60MK is so op it always goes for flares or sun
6 R-60MKs on a relatively quick platform would be way too OP for 10.7. Any downtier means you can easily get at least 4 kills against flareless planes, probably more. At 10.3 you should be getting 5-6 kills every single time you are downtiered.
That would be putting it at the same BR (10.7) as the Mig-21MF, which only has 4 R-60s.
If you are proposing that a super-sonic aircraft with 6x All-aspect IR missiles move down to 10.3 or 10.7 then it can and most likely will face aircraft without flares and more than a few of those are sub-sonic. How do you propose something like a Hunter F6 defend against an Su-22?
Also, if a super-sonic aircraft with all-aspects goes down to that BR, then the sub-sonic ones need to go lower too. I guess Sea Harrier FRS1e with only 2x Aim-9Ls and a top speed of Mach 0.9 down to 9.7.
If your IR missile is going for the sun, then skill issue. Dont fire it at the sun.
def a german main who thinks jumbo is a strong tank because he never ever in his life tried to shoot anywhere other than the center of the silhouette.
you are more likely to kill jumbo using T-26 than to kill M-51 using jumbo. Completely unfair situation.
well i dont even know at this point, Su-22 and Su-17 currently is at the awkward position. its AAM is terrible for 11.0 where all other jets already use SARH but it also cant go lower since some jet had no flare
The AAM is average at 11.0. They are better than what many other 11.0s get (Aim-9Js), and they are better than what the Mig-21MF and SMT get at 10.7 (R-60s).
Good SARH missiles don’t show up until 11.3/11.7.
The Jumbo could go to 5.3, but any lower, and it would be incredibly OP.
The M51 is fine where it is.
Mbt-70 xm803 and kpz-70 shivering at 9.0/9.3
Every US army/marines vehicles in service past 80’s not having SLAP rounds for .50 M2 is outrageous
Too OP