In a full downtier it can see atgms
TKX type10 TKX(P) Reload time has been reduced to 3 or 3.5 seconds，TKX family in 12.7 armor too thin,and TKX can in 3s over reload time.M1 Abrams now can 5s,but have thicker armor,TKX armor can be DM53 M829A2 breakdown.
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And? Neither of the 6.7 ATGM tanks are any good.
3.0s can face HEAT-FS with 400mm of pen, and there is 240mm pen HEAT at 3.0 too.
I refuse to believe that the maus would be balanced at any BR below 7.7.
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Maybe if it got the UFP from a production model and not the single prototype with the 60mm frontal armor lol. As it stands it is a free kill to any 85mm gun or larger, or even 76mms if they get decently close.
J7W should move to like 4.0 and even then it might still be ass.
Exactly there’s things that can pen the maus all the way down at 3.0, but at 7.7 everything can pen it. Only in a full downtier does it even sorta act like a heavy tank and even then most things can still at least trap shot it if not just pen it.
It’s reload is like 4 sec, 80 mm armor as A TANK DESTROYER, and just overpowers everything at 4.7
Everything can pen it? Not true. Frontally, 10% of 7.7/8.0 tanks can do anything. Side on is a different story, but tanks that have early HEAT or still fire APBC shells can’t do much against it.
Tank destroyers, by nature, have strong frontal armour and weak sides. Also fairly certain it does not have 80mm; that would be more in line with the Pz IV/70 or maybe Jagdpanther (not sure which).
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Its reload is definitly not 4 sec. And its armor is 60mm angled at 50°.
Sherman Jumbo (RB): 5.7 → 5.0
literally unplayable at 5.7, in uptier you just play the role of a harmless free kill because its armor is non-existant against 6.0+ guns and its gun cant deal any damage to these tanks either. Jumbo should NEVER face 6.3 tanks, especially in rb.
It should have lower br in realistic compared to arcade, because its ballistics is also way worse than any tank it is playing against.
Also M-51 should be 7.0 at least.
HSTVL needs to be given a crate of ammo
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lol.
What does being a tank destroyer have to do with it?
xm803, mbt-70/kpz-70
apfsds literally the worse at its BR, armor is basically paper when met with apds/apfsds, heatfs also can pen some spot but it also suffer when atgm say hello. The only thing that its good at is mobility but then when it 1 to 1 its counterpart it just suffer
lower its rb br to ab br which is 8.7 for xm and 9.0 for the 2 mbts
I think it should be 5.3 and the 76 jumbo 5.7
The point of a tank destroyer is to give up all speed, armor, for a great cannon
No.
What do you think the jagdtiger is?
There’s 2 types of WW2 tank destroyers of note:
Casemates - basically mobile bunkers. Super good frontal armour, bad mobility, insane gun. Soviet/German approach
Whatever the hell wolverines/jacksons/hellcats are - super good mobility, insane gun, bad armour.
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It uhhh, it isn’t. M18 was a TD in real life and it’s plenty fast. Jagdtiger is undoubtedly a TD and it’s very well armored. Jagdpanther is a mix of both.
Waffentrager and Nashorn are closer to what you’re talking about but they’re by no means the only TDs.
M109 and PZH 2000 hit it anywhere for a kill - gaijin messed the over pressure to favour artillery units
Lol indeed. Lemme guess, youre a german main who never played jumbo?