Pantsir was OP when it was fighting phantoms with 6km mavs, it gets danced on now with 2 years of powercreep. Im not saying it isnt the best spaa in game but CAS has gotten so out of hand not even just russian ones that SPAA is just a skill check at 13.0, only thing you can reliably kill is helis and CAS players too bad or too lazy to play properly.
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And at that point, why are you even playing GRB?
ARB, Air Arcade and Air Sim exist to fly planes in.
“I wanna play with my WW2 tanks! However, I keep getting nuked by corsairs, thunderbolts and yaks!”
“Just spawn a plane to counter them.”
“… The reason I decided to play GRB/GSB today is that I wanna play a tank. I guess might as well go back to ASB, at least flying there is fun.”
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Still, with pantsir theres a chance to defend against CAS, even if it’s small. But other nations are full on useless against CAS, especially against Russia, who can just spawn and spam 6 KH-38MT in 2 seconds and wipe out whole enemy team with 0 counterplay
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Gaijin will never add SBMM in a way that doesn’t make the game considerably worse.
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i play for fun, but i can’t have fun if im constaly getting 3-2 results because i’m getting matched with level 100 morons playing low BR
Love your optimism :P
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That’s why i stopped playing GRB.
Look there are some elements that you can’t find them elsewhere.
For example …markerless RB for Air. For me that was the reason that i played it. Especially for WW2 stuff does it for me. Both CAS and CAP roles are nice to play.
However i stopped playing when i realized that… i shouldn’t support a gamemode that is absolute trash , just because i do something that the game doesn’t provide a mode to do it…
And no, the markerless RB is not the same as SIM.
So yeah, now add the guys that want to play helicopters (there isn’t a RB mode even in PvE) , add people that want to play SPAA (against player threats) and you have absolute chaos and that’s why as popular this game mode is , it’s garbage. It’s not the “tank mode” , it’s the mode that you can play everything.
Let’s not talk about other stuff about ground in general, like the horrific maps and no spawn protection and that you have to know from what wall/rock/window you can shoot through …the realistic values that are not realistic at all (armor/dmg models/weapons/ammo/pen values) .
I asked myself why even play GRB? I mean ok, i sure can have fun in a plane and it’s a unique mode , but i better not support the trash mode and ask for Markerless RB if anything and support it instead (like they did with the SEAD event).
I want to play tanks …I go play AB (it has button to spawn CAP and counter CAS asap) , play some games SIM if you feel like it (way slower though , but in the few games i’ve played i noticed very few planes , and even at 8,7 that intentionally spawned in my SPAA …no one brought a plane in the air the whole match) .
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SBMM ruins every game.
Only thing you’re wrong about. Panstir can lazily wipe out NATO CAS as it spawns. Rest of your statement is accurate.
Now for the main topic, SBMM is a nice idea but the game has so many balance issues it just would never work out.
Especially that most popular games have it implemented.
You forget in WT Dev STILL say the same BS about queues from the time it had 13K players to now that has 200K players daily…
It’s like they are stupid and they don’t believe better balance will bring more players…
I do concede we would do well to separate certain brackets and give them their own ELO (I also wish we had this for account stats, too. )
Someone who knows how to do BVR combat might be absolutely out of their element in WW2 dogfights and vice versa, and even rear-aspect missile dogfights are different enough from get ~150-300 meters up into your victim’s rear and open up to warrant its own bracket as well.
Idk what brackets would be appropriate for ground tho.
Ya but ive been spading it recently, you might run into like maybe 1 guy out of 10 that spawns and doesnt side climb or hit the deck.
2S6 was much better at killing people when they spawn in, skill level of CAS players at that bracket is significantly lower.
But ya russia does have that advantage, I think the 2S6 is at least currently the most OP SPAA bracket for bracket right now. Its also a lot more fun to play not being an immobile schoolbus.
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Even if we put hard ceilings on BR ratings and tightened up the spread, it still just wouldn’t work.
Even if War Thunder was in a place where all the vehicles were accurate with their modeling, armor, armament and so on there’s still just too much going on for an SBMM system to be put in place. The game is simply too far removed from the rather specific and narrow requirements to justify the addition of a functional SBMM.
Keep in mind, we really only see SBMM in fighting games, MOBAs, FPS, RTS and occasionally racing games. The way those games function and are designed fit the specific and narrow requirements that justify the addition of a functional SBMM. Now, whether it improves the health of such games depends on personal subjective viewpoints, but at the same time those games generally have both Public - Pubs - and Ranked matchmaking options separate from eachother, so SBMM is there for those that want it and for those that don’t.
The easiest solution would be to put level <30 players in their own matchmaker.
It’d save us top tier players from lvl5 click bait mouthbreathers 🤷
Thats a good idea.
But a general SBMM would just end up in a sweatfest, which i don’t want.
And probably insane queues for good players.
Please tell me how it would be a sweatfest
Yeah that’s why I don’t want SBMM either.
But giving low level players a grace period before being introduced to the Rofflestomp matchmaker isn’t a bad idea imo
have you ever played high ranked, ranked games like CSGO, R6S etc?
Yeah… its called the “pantsir” and CAS are still crying about it
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