Oh I’m unfortunately well aware of it.
ill still get it, and use it as its a lowe BR.
but as it sits right now 9.7 with only L23 as a top round, no thermals , and that 4 round ready rack, its gonna be tough to use.
Compared to say, T64B, AMX40, Sabra Mk1 and i think thats it for 9.7 MBTs now the Leo2K moved up.
regardles, the shir two at least is something unique.
Yes more unique than the last few patches / event / BP Vehicles haha
TBH i just want to see the L15A5 round get the recognition it desrves, could also now put it on the Chieftain mk5 and so on.
But yeah the shir 2 is at least something unique!
edit: just checked something that peaked my curiosity.
Why can the 3BM22 of the T72A cut clean through the composities of the shir 2?
And infact the CR1 as well
Prob the CR2 too
Challenger 1 was only ever intended to have 300mm of hull KE protection, Shir 2 should be 275 or so iirc.
3BM22 simply has enough pen.
say that to the man who helped develop the CR1.
Even in the tank museums tank chat reloaded the cover the fact that they thought T72s could penetrate it but in combat they infact could not as far as they go to say.
As far as im aware it protected against 3BM22 fired by Iraqi T72s so 3BM22 apparently IRL could not go through the frontal arc of the CR1.
However that being said im struggling to find proper documents out with stupid websites that are real due to the tank being in service in Jordan and Oman still so its classified.
The tanks armour is absolutely pathetic but in game, they’ve got the shir 2 at 9.7 with worse rounds than the competition by a decent margin, worse armour due to the hull being completely paper, and worse reload once you fire 4 rounds.
Sabra mk1 - has roughly the same protection ark from 3bm22-
6 second aced reload.
M322 round - nearly 600 pen flat and 340 angled.
similar optics 5x - 12x
and thermals.
worse mobility
Fantastic turret traverse.
AMX40
has no armour so to speak but survives alot in game
6.7 aced second reload so about the same as teh shir 2 past ready rack.
substantially better round nearly 40 more angled pen
worse optics fixed 8x
Thermals
Far more mobility in all regards.
1 second slower turret traverse.
T64B
Better armour
3BM42 so amazingly better round.
7.1 second reload so worse
optics 3x- 9x so not better but still very good.
better mobility over all excluding reverse.
2.2 second slower turret traverse.
ERA.
No thermals.
see where im going, the shir 2 can be frontally taken out by even 8.7s incredibly easily whilst having a 9.3 round to fire back with.
Itll be a decent tank but could do with the removal of L23 and drop to 9.3 or addition of L23A1
A comparison of CR1 and the E.N.T. proposal.
300mm was all the Hull was expected to provide.
I don’t understand why you’re coping so hard about this. The Shir will do just fine.
gotta ask mate, whats that from cause i cant even find access to that on their website genuinely need access to more sources.
Expected protection and actual protection are different. as was proven in Iraq, as I said they were told that the T72 could penetrate the CR1 frontally, and in fact it could not.
Its coping to want the tank to either be on par with its contempories ?
The L15A5 ammo is wrong
The access to L23 someone astutely pointed out may even be wrong.
It has no access to any of the rounds it was officially trialed with as per someone else post above.
It is worse than all of the other 9.7 vehicles bar in maybe reload speed and turret armour.
It is not coping to want gaijin to do their job and make the tanks and vehicles accurate.
As smin said
“its not getting L23A1 due to where they want to place it”
IF it can use it, give it to it, and then use its BR to reflect that. Not A historically nuter it and then call it a day.
Future Main Battle Tank (MBT 80) documentation, the CR1 thread has more docs if you want to have a poke around.
They probably got lucky, the hull is the weak-spot on the challengers there’s no changing that, the armour is only 105mm of steel sandwiching some composite, even the Leo 2A4’s much thicker hull array struggles with 3BM22.
Gaijin literally doesn’t care. Maybe it’s burn out from arguing with gaijin, but the snail does what it wants, Gaijin clearly wants some sort of 9.7 line up, so the Shir 2 is gonna be 9.7 with whatever ammunition balancing is required, as per Smin, ammunition is a balancing tool. And TBF I’d prefer an APFSDS considering the T-80UD is sat at 10.3 which is the more common point to be uptiered to from 9.3.
For what it’s worth, IMO it’s probably going to slap. It’s got good turret armour, good hp/t (19.5 to the 17 of the T-64B), adequate round, & decent optics.
So I have to order it to recieve and read it then from the national archive itself? never used it before so its new to me.
The hull of a CR1 is a weak point ? Most folks never really considered it a weak point.
They did not get lucky, the brigadier (at the time was a major) that was on the development of MBT80 and CR1 said himself the armour exceded expectations. its not a case of getting lucky its a case of it performing better than the armour predictions showed it to.
9.7 sits in 10.3 right now in my experience with the amx40 grinding out the roland and such.
I know they use the ammunitions to balance but its a pretty pathetic tool of balance in general, if something has access to, and used it, it should have it in game. Not have it artificially removed from the vehicle so it can sit at a lower level, give it the round(s) and sit it at a BR that reflects the tank, not the other way around.
Then they also need to make the L15A5 more akin to what it is in real life considering the ballistic reports on it from the mk5 to mk8 or whatever one it is show it capable of penetrating a T64A hull at over 2000 meters frontally.
As much as i hate to see it, yeah im the same mate its become tiresome to even bother with it. They just do what they want to make as much as possible.
The only thing at 9.7 for britain is a rooikat 105 prem.
It’s going to sit at an awkward BR with the roll of sniping essentially.
the T64 HP/T maybe slightly lower but the tank is overall faster, but prodominantly more armoured over a larger area. worse depression right enough.
There is literally only one way to actually grind these events I’ve found. CAS in GSB. Trying to do it with tanks in GRB takes about 72 hours per token. Its insane how long it takes to get 45k score
Helicopters in GSB also seems to work extremly well.
That being said, 750.000 points to sell it is waaay to much
Yep, though CBA to learn heli combat in Sim at the moment.
But yeah, its literally the only way to do it is with either. I was averaging around 6k score in the Typhoon in GSB the other day, but barely hitting 500 in a tank in GRB.
and yeah, should be absolute max 20-25k per token and 400k for the trade
I haven’t found it that bad in GRB tbh. Takes me about ~2-2.5 hrs a day for the tokens, the biggest issue imo is game length, I could probably do it in an hour and a bit if I could constantly get games longer than 10 minutes, but it’s a lot of steamrolling which is uh painful, on either side of things.
With my score average, its taking me about 50-60 matches in GRB
uhm nah its taken me about 3 hours of gameplay at a higher BR to get the token, just need to focus on a BR bracket you enjoy a lot and play that.
ive made 9K score in 3 games in about 25 minutes.
So ive played a few more games, in 2 hours roughly about an hour of game time im at 31k score for the event already.
In 9 matches ive made 31k so its gonna be roughly 2.5 hours of active in game time to get that score of 45k.
For 750k Im not even gonna bother man, it is absolutely absurd and i cba trying to waste my weeks to sell it.
Especially at top tier , best area ive found is 10.7 to 11.3 for this event
I hate the 45k requirement, but I did it in four hours.
ive done it today in 15 games the 45k aint too bad, need to play at higher BRs but to make it count really.
Shir 2 still has 5 second reload, better gun handling, better gun depression, and better reverse. Forward speed idk off the top of my head but I think they’re similar.
Different playstyle completely, one is basically a worse Leopard 2K and the other is a worse Challenger 1. AMX-40 has shit acceleration, bad reload, and no armor.
It’s actually exactly like the Chally 1s at 10.3/10.7.
Off-meta but still fun and effective.
