still no update on the new air force roundel for norway… guess I just gotta leave a negative review on the game again, so sick of these stupid choices by gaijin and then having no way of being heard.
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Yeah, it’s a real shame. One can only hope their maybe sparing it for a potential release of a Norwegian Sub Tree?
F5 NATO Tiger according to this avionics was upgraded in 87 and complex in 93
in usa
removing one gun and 1 bulkhead
also digging found some interesting things but nothing directly related for bugreport yet
doesn’t seem like it has had any form of radar, with no screen nor visible screens in-cocpit, but also the ballistics computers doesn’t need radar
There is an possibility to have someone direcly go and look in the nose of the plane (the “tiger 2” with the tail number 134 is currenty used for education at a school in Bodø, Norway
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87 upgrade added RWR and AN/ALE-40. In the 90s it was the PAWS program.
Doesnt it have both guns in those photos?
prob yes , i read somewhere 1 gun was replaced by tube in another upgrade/ fitting but rather not for norway
another info IAI make dish smaller to accomodate in narrower nose of f5 but e.
id love to see detailed gallery and parts stuffed
saw somewhere info about hotas - it mentions mason controls
btw any interesting reading about paws program ?
"There’s also a new cockpit with additional displays, HUD, a new radar and a radar warning receiver "
this is straight from announcement i hoped for it a bit :/
today they mpved flare chaff to tier 1 mod
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AFAIK the replacement of 1 gun was performed on the F models. Mainly due to the introduction of a radar.
The norwegian F-5s didnt have a radar installed. I havent found a lot about the PAWS program. For what i have found it resembles the CF-116 upgrades performed by the Canadians.
Northrop Grumman’s upgrade layout splits the instrument panel into a modern upper half and a traditional lower half, which can provide two levels of training. ”Students can progress from the lower panel to the upper one,” M. Roy Martin said. He is the Northrop Grumman Military Aircraft Div. West Coast chief test pilot and developed some of the cockpit concepts.
The split panel allows the aircraft to be flown for training or proficiency even if the modern equipment is inoperative.
A full upgrade package costs roughly $4.5 million, and a modular approach will allow customers to choose their own configuration. There are no solid customers yet, but potential near-term prospects include Brazil, Thailand and Jordan, Terry K. Matter, manager of F—5/T-38 business development, said. Nearly half of the countries operating F-5s also operate F-16s. New features on the F-5E test aircraft include:
- A modified version of the F-16’s Westinghouse APG-66 multimode pulse-Doppler radar, called the APG-66M. The radar is the same version as used in the F-16C/D midlife upgrade. The antenna has been trimmed to about half the area and its mounting bulkhead moved back 20 in. to fit in the F-5’s shark-nose radome, but the rest of the components are identical in form to that used on the F—16. The radome base has been extended 20 in. to keep the aircraft aerodynamically unchanged. The F-5’s standard radar is the late-1960s vintage Emerson APG-159, which is analog, non-Doppler, and several generations older. -
- The GEC-Marconi wide-angle head—up display (HUD) from the F-16. The standard F-5 has a gunsight, not a HUD. This editor is 6ft. tall, and long in the torso, and was not able to get the seat down for enough to properly see through the HUD while sitting up straight.A pair of Honeywell 5-in.-diagonal monochrome cathode ray tube displays for radar data, navigation, armament and other functions. They are the same CRTs and computers as used on the standard F-16C/D, though some display formats are adapted from Northrop’s canceled F-2O program.
- Litton mission computer from the F-16.
- Honeywell H-423 ring laser gyro inertial navigation system (INS) used in some F-16 models.
- AlliedSignal air data computer.
- Esprit Technology armament control panel and Base 10 Systems weapons management unit.
- Mason Electric handson throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls modified from the McDonnell Douglas F/A—18.
- Fairchild Defense data transfer unit from the F-16 to load preprogrammed mission plans.
- Teledyne HUD video camera and Teac video tape recorder.
- Martin~Baker Mk.-10LF zero/zero ejection seat from the F/A—I 8, similar to that used by some F-5s.
These manufacturers are part of Northrop’s F-5 upgrade supplier team and have provided equipment and expertise to the program. Since much of the equipment is common with the F-16, there will be fewer new maintenance requirements for air forces that already operate the F-16. But other equipment could be installed upon customer request. ”If a country wants another radar, say to match their MiG upgrade, we can do it, so long as it’s digital, multimode, and Doppler,” Aziz Soltani, F-5/T-38 systems engineering team leader, said. ”But it would cost money to integrate it.”
The F-5’s left M-39 20—mm. nose cannon is removed to make space for the new avionics. A ram-air cooling tube takes the place of the cannon. The aircraft’s existing cooling and pair of 15-kva. alternators are adequate for the digital equipment. In the test aircraft, the left gun bay houses the radar signal generator, the radar signal processor, the multifunction display driver, the mission computer and the video tape recorder. The left nose bay forward of that contains the radar transmitter and the air data computer. The right gun has also been removed on the test aircraft, andits bay contains the HUD electronics, the aircraft battery, the VOR/ILS receiver and the flight test data system. The right nose bay has the indentification friend-or-foe (IFF) electronics and three transformer/rectifiers for the DC electrical system. The avionics bay above the left engine inlet houses the INS, and the right inlet bay contains the TACAN receiver. Elements of the armament electronics are in small bays on the bottom of the fuselage forward of the speed brake. Some of this equipment will be relocated in operational aircraft to make space for the right gun.
The new APG-66M radar has longer range, higher resolution, look-down capability, is digital instead of analog, and has other improvements over the APQ-159. The range is about doubled for fighter-size targets and it can track 10 targets at once, Martin said.
During a ground demonstration at Los Angeles International airport, the radar locked onto airliners up to 40 naut. mi. away, compared to the 20 naut. mi. maximum displayed range of the APO-159. The range against fighters is expected to be 25-30 naut. mi., Martin said. The radar displayed the target’s Mach number, calibrated airspeed, altitude, closing rate, heading and aspect angle. A variety of radar modes are operated by the HOTAS controls.
The radar allows the HUD to have continuously- computed impact point and release point bombing modes, as well as the air-to-air modes, improving the F-5’s attack capability.
”THE BOMBING MODES make the aircraft more lethal, and the greater radar range and information make it more survivable,” Martin said. The standard F-5 instruments that are retained independent of the new equipment keep the F-5’s inherent safety, he said.
The F-5E test aircraft made its first flight on Apr. 20 from LAX to Edwards AFB, Calif., where the 31-flight test program is to be conducted. Northrop Grumman plans to start demonstrating the F-5 upgrade around October, when the annual meeting of worldwide F-5 operators is held at San Antonio. Two pilots from the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards AFB will fly the aircraft to ”monitor that Northrop Grumman is doing what they say they are doing," Martin said. There will be no gun firing in the tests, but the new avionics are designed to withstand the gun bay environment.
AW&ST 8th May 1995
most complete list of f5E tiger iv upgrade, only hud looks same with norway f5… gonna dig for puff and slep cuz cant find nothing about paws
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Oh yeah? well see about that
On the topic of Norwegian made weapons, here is an interesting read many will find funny: Spermal was Norwegian napalm
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The countermeasure pods on the F-5’s are not the same, there is one pod for 30x chaff/flare in small caliber and one for 15x large caliber flares :D
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/5MmIfHiwyMJU
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Have you given up on the A-38N?
No, just workikg on better sources for it but it won’t be ready in quite some time unfortunately
Meantime
Wingtip fueltanks
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9L5TG2KP8lau
Countermeasure pods (1x w/30x small caliber chaff & flare, 1x 15x large caliber flare)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/5MmIfHiwyMJU
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The ability to use different types of cartridges in the AN/ALE-40 is probably not unique to the F-5s in norwegian service.
Have you seen any mention regarding an increased wing area after the SLEP?
I haven’t stated so either, i have only looked into the F-5A(G) tough
I have seen specific details about the metal/alloy used and where in an unclassified technical manual for the aircraft (Sort of like an diary/log), but no valuable details about changes in performance, eventual payload increase or ving load, but there might be something to find
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The “New Wings” project was the next step on the road. In the winter of 1992/93, major structural weaknesses were discovered in the aircraft’s wings. Rather than patching up the old ones, it was decided to invest in completely new wings. In the summer of 1994, an agreement was therefore signed with Bristol Aerospace in Canada for a total of 15 new wing sets. The first was delivered in July of this year and the first aircraft was on the wings in early September. The program was completed during the first half of 1997. FLY BRUKT AV
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HEFTE NR. 31book mentions 15 new wings set , also has info about wingtip tanks buy reports are accepted
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The “Upgrade for coupon” item is valid until February 27th (11:00 GMT). Until this time, you can use it or exchange it for War Bonds. Afterwards, it’ll disappear from your inventory.
Once activated it can be sold 5 days from the moment you upgrade the coupon.
For getting it early, no you aren’t punished. Many people buy the last star to sell it early rather then grind the last star.
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World Air Power jorunal 21
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Good pic of the SAMOVAR aswell
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Edit: this next photo does not need a comment
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Which version is this from?