that took you 6 months to respond??
The AP-belt or -shells should be stock for the Gepard or Otomatic and other vehicles with a secondary ammunition compartment.
1A2 should get DM33, as the main belt. I don’t care about the pen, but extra velocity is mandatory for the choppers and their respective armament, at that BR, IMO. Plus current belts hardly work against drones outside 800-900m.
“at that br” you know if it gets that, it will go up in br
Why do you think so?
ATM, it has 39% WR and sub 1 kill ratio in RB eg.
It’s worse than Ozelot and even Begleitpanzer 57.
Roland, Rapier, SIDAM, everyone is better.
the bad win rate is because Germany is just bad after 7.0
at 10.0 you have the Stormer too…
You want to give an spaa full apds belts and keep it at the same br?
Not APDS, but FAPDS. Not much pen, but better for air targets.
Yeah, Ozelot and Bpz57 are also German.
There are quite some vids and stills aviable from the German Rheinmetall plant in Unterluss. Its a new production line to mass produce Gepard ammo. They’re producing HEI-T and APDS-T in a 1 to 1ratio.
Dunno what all this theorycrafting is about. There is no increased wear or any restriction to use APDS. You can load HEI or APDS as you want. If they’d use APDS just as emergency backup for external Gepard drums, they would actually produce it in a different ratio. Maybe like 10 to 1. But they do it 1 to 1. I guess it must be used quite often… Suppose its used mainyl cause of its much higher velocity… more effective range.
Gajin just picked up a German field manual which suggested a certain tactical standard loadout and thankfully used it to nerf all Gerpard derivatives. As if Rus or other armies don’t have preferred tactical loadouts.
Spewing out APDS all day. Its just restricted in War Thunder :)
That is flat out wrong as stated here
Rohrverschleiß und Rohrerosion hängen sehr stark von der Geschoß-
art, Geschoßanfangsgeschwindigkeit, Ladung sowie Rohrwandtempera-
tur ab
translated:
Barrel wear and erosion depend heavily on the type of projectile, the projectile’s initial velocity, the propellant charge, and the barrel wall temperature
this is not specifically for the gepard, but applies to ALL barrels, as it is a fundamental principle
Please Gaijin 35mm Smoke shells for my Chieftain Marksman when
maybeeee that’s because NATO has standardized ammo and that round also works in the bushmaster 3?
Lol no…they mention its for UKR Gepards all day. But they also say that the old production tools were all gone, as well as the plans for original Gepard ammo.
Todays ammo are new designs. They developed it from the scratch. Just HEI and APDS (subkaliber schwermetallpenetratoren). Base for the new development was indeed existing IFV ammunition. But you cant just load the IFV version, they learned the hard way the the Gepard FCS wouldn’t accept them.
From the development process to restart ammo production for Gepards. Quite interesting. They had to find a way the old Gepard FCS recognizes the newly designed shells. While all old plans, blueprints, tools and technical data were lost.
I’m no expert, but Rheinmetall workers seem to just load the APDS in the main magazine for good. The HEI-T shells are yellow with red bands.
All this just in a few months.
you got a source for alla dat?
I went through it as fast as I could. I don’t read anything about restrictions for APDS use. Also wouldn’t make any sense. Germans would never allow ammo which is somehow seriously damaging the weapon system.
I agree, thats why its limited in use. But you said “There is no increased wear or any restriction to use APDS” but this document stated that barrel wear is linked to projectile muzzle velocity, temperature etc
Again this is not a document about the Gepard, its a document stating fundamental principles of their barrels
Rohrverschleiß und Rohrerosion hängen sehr stark von der Geschoß-
art, Geschoßanfangsgeschwindigkeit, Ladung sowie Rohrwandtempera-
tur ab
Just this sentence, without naming APDS especially.
It’s a general rule, if i say heat makes materials softer, i don’t need to state that it includes iron
Yeah, but you need to apply and quantify it, in this particular case.
DM33 projectile is over 30% lighter than DM11 and is just over 20% faster. Sabot is probably made out of softer material than the barrel. So, from here it doesn’t look like FAPDS needs higher pressure, as both are 35x228 and if it does wear the barrel more, the actual amount of wear is probably within allowed margins.
i never thought about the sabot… actually good point. I still would say it would be horrible from a game play perspective but that point makes sense
If you have two production-lines, then you will be producing ammunition types in a 1:1 ratio, given that the complexity and output-rate are the same each.
Again, it’s Gepard 1 A2’s that were sent to ukraine, i.e. such with the improved coils that were not wearing down nearly as quickly as the old ones when firing sub-calibre. (Barrel wear was a much smaller issue in comparison to the coils wearing down, all used ammunition-types had the same max. gas pressure anyway)
Gepard 1 A2’s primary ammunition-type in BW service was DM 33 FAPDS afterall (MV 1440m/s).
So even though using HEI-T is preferable due to the better post-impact effect, using APDS-T as worse substitute is still possible.
All KDA-users except PGZ09 and Gepard 1 A2 use older coils, which wore down extremely quickly when firing sub-calibre - and PGZ09 fires ABM/KETF as primary type, not FAPDS.
None of them however (except Gepard 1 A2) fired sub-calibre ammunition for anti-air purposes.
Only Gepard 1 A2 should have full belts of sub-calibre ammunition (DM 33 FAPDS); For the others, it’s nearing pure fiction.