Yea I know, but I compared the 12.7 tanks, the Ariete is pathetic even at 12.3, it’s a 12.0 tank
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If only the 2A7V had accurate armour…
You’re probably right in saying they’re not exact counterparts, given that the Leopard 2A6 is superior.
The Leopard 2A6 has massively superior acceleration, superior reverse, superior reload, superior gun depression, superior penetration, etc. etc.
The Leopard 2A6 is vastly better in the ways that are most important to War Thunder’s meta, I.E., Mobility, responsiveness and lethality.
I think multiple nations deserve APS-equipped tanks to counter the BMPT and broken CAS.
The 2A7A1 is just not good enough for the current 12.7’s that are out there, so the Leopard 2A8 is the only logical conclusion I can see.
Besides, Gaijin is going to nerf the 2A8’s characteristics anyways.
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The best 12.7 tank won’t be good with an APS?
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2a7a1 still is not a 2a7V.
It has worse armor
Besides that 2a7V is not the bwst tank.
3rd place at this point more likely
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The rest of the tree…?
All of its lineups? I don’t get this thought process of “others have Leopards at 12.7 so there’s no incentive for the whole tree”.
Same, can be worse
“Theoretically” as in if its ever going to be done, Shini is right, the 2A7A1 is not a 2A7V, but a base 2A7 hull with refurbished 2A6A3 turret.
Still a pretty good tank for 12.7
The additional fro tal protection has not been installed. And had been denied for the PSO for the same reasons.
Add to that the turret being 2a6 ones like ares said.
Its not the same tank, its worse them 2a7V.
Like with the 2Hel you continue being wrong.
Seriously you should stop arguing about leopards
I would say the same about you specially when you saying the 2E and 2HEL are not domestic productions of the 2EX
In armour, that will make up with the APS
I have the sources to back it up.
You not reading them aint my problem
The suggestion of a nero has the statements of the book in it as well naming the diffwrence in the armor details etc to the 2a6ex.
Cause the APS does anything against apfsds, oh yes
It does against missiles.
Me too
Irl DM73 has 8% to 10% increase in kinetic energy compared to DM63. Thats what you can read everywhere. More propellant, newly designed dbsc pellets with longer burn, higher chamber pressure. DM63 can penetrate roughly 680 mm to 720 mm of RHA at a distance of 2 kilometers. L55A1 DM73 punches through an estimated 750 mm to 800 mm of RHAe at the same 2-kilometer distance. DM73 is a clear improvement over DM63. Otherwise it wouldn exist. No one adopts a new shell which might just have 10mm more pen. With less anti Germany world view this should be obvious.
DM83 was supposed to get adopted this year, but Rheinmetall got a load of captured equipment from a certain country. The whole project was delayed. Ppl suppose the new penetrator getting optimized to bypass recent ru armor layouts. Live fire tests on captured hardware, new computer models etc etc.
Don’t forget new ammo types use Rheinmetall’s safe propellant, which would greatly benefit survivability of Leopard tanks.
So my pick would:
- New ammo.
DM53 has been phased our for decades now. All L55 Leopards should get DM63 to profit from these double base surface coated safe propellants.
DM73 high pressure ammo for the Leopard 2A7V. This would make the new L55A1 gun finally a usefull upgade. Sources differ…its said between 8 - 10% better performance. Certainly better than just 10mm more pen.
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Same reload as the Abrams family. Its the same gun…
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Iris-T should get buffed. The missile underperforms and the seeker should be inert to DIRCM. Thats one of the main issues. DIRCM helis butcher German teams and there’s no way to shot back.
Ah yes, literaly different armor layouts it the same tank i can proof it.
Listen to yourself jesus.
Read the Page 2HEL is based on the 2a6ex, but its not a 2a6ex. Its yet again a further improved version
“It was done by Leopard 2a6ex demo 1 but have some improvements”
It’s Leopard 2A6EX with some improvements, it’s not a different tank, the Leopard 2HEL 2013 has just a new RWCS is it a brand new Leopard?
Performance talks overall characteristics.
Velocity, kill potential over higher distances and so on.
Its not pure penetration talked about
It would essentially be a Leopard 2A6 with Trophy for War Thunder purposes, and the Leopard 2A6 is a 12.3 tank that’s still sitting at 12.7 for unknown reasons.
10% increase in energy =/= 10% increase in penetration.
The only thing different about DM73 compared to DM53 for War Thunder’s purposes is it’s 30 m/s gain in velocity.
Wanna bet on Gaijin not modeling that?
Leopard 2’s fighting compartment is more cramped.
It literally says Leopard 2EX in the photo
Also the demo 2 has the same armour
Rcws installation , is yst agains th different then upgraded thermals and different armor layout.
You not being sble to read aint my problem.
The first oage calls the 2a6ec the forefather of the 2E and Hel, cause they are based on it.
But not the same tank
U unable to read lmao
It says it features many detail changes to the 2a6ex and the strv122